Thanks Henry, Interestingly, I didn't get a sense of what I need from http://my-profile.eu/ or http://data.fm/ . And I don't really get it from http://stample.co/ (which I hadn't seen). What I had in mind was more like Melvin's http://foaf.cc/ (which I have just been reminded of). I think small but perfectly formed is the aim in a lot of this - things that do one thing well. The sites you mention seem to want to draw me in to their social networking or keeping my data for me. I spend a lot of my non-SemWeb life avoiding signing up for yet another site that wants to do those things, or give me yet another ID, and so I didn't even feel http://my-profile.eu/ was what I wanted - "Get a WebID Account" was not my aim. And in fact, it doesn't do much except create the WebID, as far as I can tell. Maybe it is all presentation. And maybe I am the only one that wants this. But I have the feeling I would like to be able to point my friends at a simple site like FOAF Me was, that simply lets them create a document, and then tell me the WebID, so that I can use it for their identity. Maybe Andrei will make that a variant of http://my-profile.eu/ ? Or someone will pick up https://github.com/melvincarvalho/foafme and run with it (Melvin doesn't have the time).
It seems that FOAF Me (or whatever it should be called) is very much a piece of the sort of eye candy that I could give me friends that even http://my-profile.eu/ doesn't quite hit. Cheers Hugh On 7 Aug 2013, at 13:10, Henry Story <henry.st...@bblfish.net> wrote: > > On 7 Aug 2013, at 13:08, Hugh Glaser <h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote: > >> Norman, hello. >> Very interesting. >> Yes, I think that works. >> I think I had got mislead into thinking the issuer was significant - >> especially as the one I created calls itself "Key from my-profile.eu", but >> of course I could change that in keychain. >> I was sort of thinking of a FOAF service, which also just happens to do >> WebID if you click the WebID button (on by default, since people don't even >> need to know what it is?). >> So, essentially the next generation of foaf-a-matic. >> I'm sure I remember talking about this stuff many years ago :-), but maybe >> WebID makes it even more useful. >> >> In some sense this is a way to get WebID more widely adopted - be in a >> symbiotic relationship with FOAF. >> Because it also gets FOAF more widely adopted because it does the ID thing. >> I'm guessing the WebID people have had all these discussions. >> >> So the service would create and edit a Personal Profile Document for users. >> It would look after it itself if you wanted, GET and PUT it on a third party >> if desired and possible, or give you the edited version to put somewhere >> yourself. >> >> Personally I would love to have something better than vi to edit my FOAF, >> much as I love it :-) > > Hi, that is what Andrei is building with http://my-profile.eu/ and what I am > building at http://stample.co/ ( see also http://github.com/stample ), > and a number of others are building such as http://data.fm/ , etc... The idea > is to have a web server that is > as easy to use as well known social networks but that is distributed and > secure. > > Henry > >> >> Best >> Hugh >> >> On 6 Aug 2013, at 23:26, Norman Gray <nor...@astro.gla.ac.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hugh, hello. >>> >>> On 2013 Aug 6, at 22:58, Hugh Glaser <h...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote: >>> >>> [...and quoting out of order...] >>> >>>> I looked a quite a few sites before choosing where my OpenID would be. >>> >>> So did I, but OpenID allows for some indirection, so that the OpenID that I >>> quote -- <http://nxg.me.uk/norman/openid> -- isn't committed to a >>> particular OpenID provider. I use versignlabs.com, but could change away >>> from them without disruption. >>> >>> This is relevant because... >>> >>>> Actually, this whole thing seems to me (I now realise) nothing to do with >>>> WedID per se. >>>> It is about creating and editing FOAF files. >>> >>> Aha, yes! This is the key thing, I think. >>> >>> So the question of how to get a WebID may reduce to the question of how to >>> get a certificate which includes a 'good' X.509 Subject Alternative Name, >>> with 'good' here meaning something like 'the FOAF file I (apparently or to >>> my surprise) already have'. >>> >>> Now, while there's a very small number who might want to do the whole thing >>> from scratch, there's a larger number of people who might already have a >>> FOAF file somewhere, and a still larger number of people (possibly all of >>> Facebook? -- did they ever actually do this?) who have a FOAF profile but >>> don't know it by that name. >>> >>> As in... >>> >>>> But actually I didn't; what I wanted was a WebID that didn't create an >>>> account somewhere (most of the sites I found offer an account that comes >>>> with a WebID as a side-effect). >>> >>> So you want the inverse of this, in some loose sense. >>> >>> What probably would work in this case is a service which allows two steps: >>> >>> 1. You can say: I've got a preexisting account at Network X; can you give >>> me a WebID which will point to that? >>> >>> 2. The service says: yes, they do FOAF, so (a) here's a WebID certificate >>> which points to that, for you to put in your browser, and (b) tell Network >>> X to do ... blah. >>> >>> Step 1 is probably not toooo hard (especially if people can say "I've got >>> this FNOF profile thing I've been told you tell you about"). >>> >>> Step 2a is still going to be fiddly (X.509 + browser = baldness), but I >>> imagine that it's the 'blah' in step 2b that will require network by >>> network cooperation. Though all it would require is for the user to upload >>> their new WebID certificate to the cooperating service for it to work out >>> what the WebID is that it should add to the preexisting user's FOAF profile. >>> >>> So you choose which network gets to edit and serve your FOAF file for you, >>> and only have to mention that on one occasion, when talking to a >>> make-me-a-WebID service. You'd never have to go back to that >>> WebID-creating service again. In other words, unlike OpenID, you don't >>> even need a redirection step. >>> >>> Does that work? >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Norman >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Norman Gray : http://nxg.me.uk >>> SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK >>> >> >> > > Social Web Architect > http://bblfish.net/ >
