Hows about:

<owl:Class rdf:ID="article"/>
<owl:Class rdf:ID="pubmedRecord"/>

<owl:ObjectProperty rdf:ID="definedByPMID">
<rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#InverseFunctionalProperty"/>
   <rdfs:domain rdf:resource="#article"/>
   <rdfs:range rdf:resource="#pubmedRecord"/>
</owl:ObjectProperty>

<owl:ObjectProperty rdf:ID="isMentionedBy">
<rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#AnnotationProperty"/>
</owl:ObjectProperty>

<pubmedRecord rdf:about="http://purl.org/commons/pubmed/PMID_3327422"/>
<pubmedRecord rdf:about="http://purl.org/commons/pubmed/PMID_7451682"/>


<article rdf:ID="pubmed_3327422">
<definedByPMID rdf:resource="http://purl.org/commons/pubmed/PMID_3327422"/>
</article>
<article rdf:ID="pubmed_7451682">
<definedByPMID rdf:resource="http://purl.org/commons/pubmed/PMID_7451682"/>
</article>

<owl:Class rdf:ID="c101">
   <rdfs:subClassOf>
       <owl:Restriction>
           <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#classId"/>
<owl:hasValue rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#int";>101</owl:hasValue>
       </owl:Restriction>
   </rdfs:subClassOf>
<rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="http://purl.org/obo/owl/CARO#CARO_0000013"/>
   <rdfs:label rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string";
           >motor neuroendocrine magnocellular oxytocin neuron</rdfs:label>
   <isMentionedBy rdf:resource="#pubmed_7451682"/>
</owl:Class>

<owl:Class rdf:ID="Cellc101HasMoleculem3Within">
   <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="#c101"/>
   <rdfs:label rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string";
>the cell motor neuroendocrine magnocellular oxytocin neuron has the molecule oxytocin within</rdfs:label>
   <isMentionedBy rdf:resource="#pubmed_3327422"/>
</owl:Class>

jb


----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Ruttenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: adding pubmed ids to BAMS




On Apr 19, 2007, at 9:20 AM, John Barkley wrote:

hi alan,

Here is a mock up of what I think you had in mind in the case of BAMS (sorry for the rdf/xml, I wanted to be precise):

Given:

<owl:Class rdf:ID="article"/>
<owl:Class rdf:ID="pubmedRecord"/>

<pubmedRecord rdf:about="http://purl.org/commons/pubmed/_3327422"/>
<pubmedRecord rdf:about="http://purl.org/commons/pubmed/_7451682"/>

<owl:ObjectProperty rdf:ID="definedByPMID">
<rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/ owl#InverseFunctionalProperty"/>
   <rdfs:domain rdf:resource="#article"/>
   <rdfs:range rdf:resource="#pubmedRecord"/>
</owl:ObjectProperty>

<owl:ObjectProperty rdf:ID="isMentionedBy">
<rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/ owl#AnnotationProperty"/>
</owl:ObjectProperty>

Then, for each cell and cell/molecule pubmed reference, you would have the following (the first is a cell example for c101 and the second is a cell/molecule example for c101):

<owl:Class rdf:ID="c101">
<rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="http://purl.org/obo/owl/ CARO#CARO_0000013"/>
   <rdfs:subClassOf>
       <owl:Restriction>
           <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#classId"/>
<owl:hasValue rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/ XMLSchema#int">101</owl:hasValue>
       </owl:Restriction>
   </rdfs:subClassOf>
   <rdfs:label rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string";
>motor neuroendocrine magnocellular oxytocin neuron</ rdfs:label> <isMentionedBy rdf:resource="http://purl.org/commons/pubmed/ _7451682"/>
</owl:Class>

isMentionedBy should point to an instance of article
article identifiedByPMID http://purl.org/commons/pubmed/_7451682

I don't like the underscore but Jonathan thinks it is necessary. But this is minor. I would say using PMID_7451652 or some similar variant is more appealing. (no accounting for taste)
We might also want
http://purl.org/commons/pubmed/_7451682 hasId "7451682", but I'm not sure.
Anyways, neither of these are essential for progress.


<owl:Class rdf:ID="Cellc101HasMoleculem3Within">
Would be nice to have an english readable rdfs:label here.
   <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="#c101"/>
   <rdfs:subClassOf>
       <owl:Restriction>
           <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#cell_has_molecule_within"/>
           <owl:someValuesFrom rdf:resource="#m3"/>
       </owl:Restriction>
   </rdfs:subClassOf>
<isMentionedBy rdf:resource="http://purl.org/commons/pubmed/ _3327422"/>
</owl:Class>

This class would be used in place of the restriction if there is a definition that would otherwise use the restriction.

Thanks for the quick response!


jb


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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: adding pubmed ids to BAMS



Here is an idea I am exploring. Perhaps you might mock this up:

The essential idea is that evidence and other annotation is about named classes. In those cases where one might think of annotating some axiom, or piece of axiom, we would instead look for the class that is the referent of the annotation and name that class. Then, we can connect that class, using an annotation property, to whatever kind of annotation or evidence we think appropriate.

Suppose we have a class HumanP53Protein, which we will define as: Those proteins whose sequence of amino acids are described by the sequence in the sequence information field of the Uniprot P53_Human Record, or which are derived from such a protein. (I'm open to discussion on what this definitions should be, BTW, but I think we should have one)

One gene ontology annotation to P53 is:
GO:0000739; Molecular function: DNA strand annealing activity (inferred from direct assay from UniProtKB).

GO:0000739 is defined as in OBO, as a class, a subclass of function.

We will say that the referent of this annotation is the class

HumanP53ProteinWithFunctionDNAStrandAnnealing: HumanP53Protein and has_function some GO:0000739

The annotation property itself might be called "ExistsAccordingTo", by which we mean that this class has instances

The thing it exists according is

Inference001
   type InferredFromDirectAssay
   describedInPaper theArticlePMID1234Describes

So our annotation is

HumanP53ProteinWithFunctionDNAStrandAnnealing ExistsAccordingTo Inference001

Up to this point we have been conservative. We haven't made any statement about P53 in general. Here, we will overstate (our only choice, if we want to make a statement about biology from which some useful inference can be done, given the evidence we have)

HumanP53Protein subclassOf HumanP53ProteinWithFunctionDNAStrandAnnealing

This may be wrong. For instance, it may be the case that only that P53 phosphorylated in some way actually has this function. I hope that by some other statement, a contradiction is inferred that will force us (or the curators) to be more specific.

----

What's nice about this?


1) We are making statements about biology (better than making statements about "terms") 2) There is no RDF reification involved - the main contender for representing this sort of thing. 3) We have been (relatively) conservative about what we say there is evidence for
4) We are owning the fact that we are making an overstatement
5) We are enabling some inference to take place.

What's the cost?

1) One extra triple, in which we name the class HumanP53ProteinInvolvedInDNADamageResponse Where we previously would have used a restriction to introduce the participation, we now use the named class. 2) When querying about what the evidence is for, we need to query the asserted (or told) assertions only. That's because after inference has been done, new assertions may be known about HumanP53ProteinWithFunctionDNAStrandAnnealing and we won't be able to tell the difference between what was asserted and what is inferred, given that we have associated the only the class name with the evidence

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Taking this to BAMS it means that we associate the paper with the cell class for which we already have an name. For the molecule is found in cell cases, we create the named class for the cell contains some molecule class, use that class in place of the restriction, and associate the paper to that named class.

You can define

Class(article :partial)
Class(pubmedRecord :partial)
ObjectProperty(definedByPMID inversefunctional)

Represent the pubmed record as an instance of pubmedRecord named http://purl.org/commons/pubmed/1234

The last issue is the nature of the relationship between the paper and the class. If we can't easily distinguish between whether these annotations are evidence or simply discussion we could use the relation "isMentionedBy", which we will mean to say that the class (or some instances of the class) are discussed in the paper.

---

Call me if you want to discuss this. Admittedly this may seem involved and odd, since it is a new idea, though I will blame Chris and Jonathan, who I bounced it off of, for not telling me straight off it didn't make sense :)

But how about we give it a go and see what it feels like. I'm planning to use this translation for the GO annotations and the rest of the similar sources, unless somebody comes forth with some arguments about what would be a better idea.

Best,
Alan


On Apr 18, 2007, at 3:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


From what Mihai sent me, the pubmed refs are about:

the cell and
the fact the molecule is found in cell

Pending your recomendation, I had tentatively suggested the following for
representing this as:

pubmedID has "<id>" or
cell_has_molecule_within some (<cell> and (pubmedID has "<id>"))

where one of more of these is associated with a cell. I was under  the
impression that you were thinking about a general representation that everyone would use for pubmedID. So, I haven't yet added these to the BAMS OWL version.

OK. Can you send me this for a quick look?

I'm not sure what you are asking to see. Do you want to see the original
tables Mihai sent me?

thanks,

jb



Date:  Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:30:17 -0400
From:  Alan Ruttenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  John Barkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:  Jonathan A Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:  Re: adding pubmed ids to BAMS
Quoting Alan Ruttenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On Apr 13, 2007, at 1:51 PM, John Barkley wrote:

I have confirmed from Mihai that all of the pubmed references in
BAMS are evidence for or elaboration about.

OK. Can you send me this for a quick look?
Is it clear what the they are about
i.e.

the cell
the part
the fact that cell is located in part
the fact the molecule is found in cell
the fact the molecule is found in part
the fact the molecule is found in cell in part
etc.

?



----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Ruttenberg"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Don't have time at this moment, but I think that generally you
want  to state the the article is either evidence for, or
elaboration about  the scientific statement involving the cells,
molecules, etc. Then  then use the pubmed id in some standard URI
form (maybe neurocommons  record url style) or
Jonathan's purl.org suggestion. In other words the pubmed id is
the identifier for a thing (the article, or the abstract,
depending on  one's point of view).

More details later.

You could look and see how Gene ontology represents evidence.

-Alan

On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:46 PM, John Barkley wrote:

hi alan,

I recieved spreadsheets from Mihai relating cells & pubmed ids,
and cells, molecules, & pubmed ids. I wanted to consult with you
about  your preferences for how to integrate this into BAMS.  I am
thinking  something like defining a datatype property pubmedID
from owl:thing  to string. Then for cells, you would have:

pubmedID has "<id>"

and for cells with molecules within, you would have:

cell_has_molecule_within some (<cell> and (pubmedID has "<id>"))

Please let me know.

thanks,

jb


















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