A patient (human or non-human) continues to be a patient after their death. Medical procedures continue (e.g. autopsy/necropsy). Medical records are revised and persisted naturally, and by law. A death certificate is issued. And so on. HL7 modeling isn't ideal for guidance here, especially when referring to patients of the non-human variety :)
~ Stuart ----------------------------- Stuart Turner, DVM, MS Biomedical Informaticist | Principal, Leafpath Informatics, LLC stu...@leafpath.org | +1.916.596.0255 | @ Skype <turner.stuart> http://leafpath.org | FOAF: http://stuartturner.org/foaf.rdf On May 23, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Luciano, Joanne S. wrote: > Do they? The body does. The memory doesn't, in digital space: > > What happens to their data? > Does their data disappear? Their medical record? > They "were" a patient. Not sure what that means - maybe we need, in addition > to is_a a new class was_a (for the has beens). > > some things to muse about. > > joanne > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Joanne S. Luciano, PhD Rensselaer Polytechnic > Institute > Research Associate Professor 110 8th Street, Winslow 2143 > Tetherless World Constellation Troy, NY 12180, USA > Department of Computer Science Email: jluci...@rpi.edu > Office Tel. +1.518.276.4939 Global Tel. > +1.617.440.4364 (skypeIn) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 23, 2012, at 3:37 PM, Solbrig, Harold R. wrote: > >> Although, if the patient dies, the person goes away as well, no? ;-) >> >> From: public-semweb-lifesci-requ...@listhub.w3.org >> [mailto:public-semweb-lifesci-requ...@listhub.w3.org] On Behalf Of R. Cornet >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:26 PM >> To: Michel Dumontier; Freimuth, Robert, Ph.D. >> Cc: Jim McCusker; Aaron Brown; Dan Brickley; Renato Iannella; Lin MD, Simon; >> Matthias Samwald; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org >> Subject: RE: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health & medical >> extensions to schema.org >> >> I would say that if you follow ontoclean, being a patient is a non-rigid >> property of a person. >> >> Ronald >> >> ################################################################ >> Ronald Cornet, PhD email: r.cor...@amc.uva.nl >> dept. of Medical Informatics phone: +31 (0)20 566 5188 >> Academic Medical Center, Room J1B-115 fax: +31 (0)20 691 9840 >> P.O.Box 22700 www: kik.amc.uva.nl/home/rcornet/ >> 1100 DE Amsterdam >> The Netherlands >> >> From: Michel Dumontier [mailto:michel.dumont...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:02 PM >> To: Freimuth, Robert, Ph.D. >> Cc: Jim McCusker; Aaron Brown; Dan Brickley; Renato Iannella; Lin MD, Simon; >> Matthias Samwald; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org >> Subject: Re: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health & medical >> extensions to schema.org >> >> If you follow ontoclean [1], then all you need to know is that if not all >> people are patients, then patients is a subtype of people. >> >> m. >> >> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OntoClean >> >> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Freimuth, Robert, Ph.D. >> <freimuth.rob...@mayo.edu> wrote: >> > For instance, Physicians are not the same thing as Patients, but a Patient >> > can also be a Physician. >> >> ...and a physician can be a patient, both of which are roles that entities >> can play. IMO, this illustrates the importance of defining roles and >> entities separately (rather than through inheritance from a common parent). >> >> Bob >> >> From: public-semweb-lifesci-requ...@listhub.w3.org on behalf of Jim McCusker >> Sent: Wed 5/23/2012 9:40 AM >> To: Aaron Brown >> Cc: Dan Brickley; Renato Iannella; Lin MD, Simon; Matthias Samwald; >> public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org >> >> Subject: Re: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health & medical >> extensions to schema.org >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Aaron Brown <abbr...@google.com> wrote: >> Ok. But I still don't see why this needs to be specified explicitly. >> Otherwise, wouldn't it also be necessary to specify that a MedicalEntity is >> disjoint from a Movie, a SocialEvent, a DryCleaningOrLaundry, etc? It seems >> to get out of hand pretty quickly. For that matter, if someone wanted to >> extend the proposed schema by defining a Physician type that inherits from >> both Person and MedicalEntity, I think would be OK. >> >> RDF and other semantic web standards allow for instances to have multiple >> unrelated types. This is part of the Open World Assumption, and is a good >> thing, since it allows us to discover classifications for things later on. >> In order to create the same sort of single inheritance that one sees in, for >> instance, Java, simply make each sibling under a given class disjoint with >> all its other siblings. I would be reluctant to do that blindly, though, as >> it can often result in modeling errors. For instance, Physicians are not the >> same thing as Patients, but a Patient can also be a Physician. >> >> Jim >> -- >> Jim McCusker >> Programmer Analyst >> Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics >> Yale School of Medicine >> james.mccus...@yale.edu | (203) 785-6330 >> http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu >> >> PhD Student >> Tetherless World Constellation >> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute >> mcc...@cs.rpi.edu >> http://tw.rpi.edu >> >> >> >> -- >> Michel Dumontier >> Associate Professor of Bioinformatics, Carleton University >> Chair, W3C Semantic Web for Health Care and the Life Sciences Interest Group >> http://dumontierlab.com >> >> De informatie opgenomen in dit bericht kan vertrouwelijk zijn en is >> uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u dit bericht onterecht >> ontvangt, wordt u verzocht de inhoud niet te gebruiken en de afzender direct >> te informeren door het bericht te retourneren. 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