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Cordially, as always, Erich -----Original Message----- From: Erich Gombocz [mailto:egomb...@io-informatics.com] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:30 AM To: Jun Zhao; Michael Miller Cc: Helena Deus; Mark Wilkinson; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org Subject: RE: Reminder: SysBio Wednesday 11AM ET / 4PM GMT / 5PM CET Dear All, Unfortunately, I won't be able to make the June 6 call either - I'm talking at SemTech about creating a systems-biology based knowledgebase on human pathogens: http://semtechbizsf2012.semanticweb.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=65&proposa lid=4541 But I certainly will be participating in this efforts in the future as I am convinced, it will be a great group to stimulate our minds! Cordially, Erich -----Original Message----- From: Jun Zhao [mailto:jun.z...@zoo.ox.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:23 AM To: Michael Miller Cc: Helena Deus; Erich Gombocz; Mark Wilkinson; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org Subject: Re: Reminder: SysBio Wednesday 11AM ET / 4PM GMT / 5PM CET Dear all, Although we didn't have a very productive talk the day before, we managed to provoke some really productive and positive discussions here. This is great! And of course, thanks Mark a lot for bringing this up onto the table! I agree a more in-depth discussion about a plan of the task force would be very helpful at this stage of the development. I think last call was partially unfortunate because a lot interested parties were otherwise occupied, though they have shown a lot of interests in the task force. I certainly hope the situation of last call was a one-off, but as Mark pointed out, there might be something deeper for us to reflect as a group. I certainly sense there are a great show of interest. And I hope these interests could be best coordinated and made use of! I couldn't make the next call on June 6 due to conflicts with meetings. Here is my turn:) But I'll try to join at least on the IRC to catch up on the discussions! Cheers, Jun On 24/05/2012 18:52, Michael Miller wrote: > hi all, > > > > mark, great comments, get's us to think. > > > > in fairness, we had a specific topic, SBML, and technology growing up > around it. your category 4 actually breaks down into what people are > experts in, unfortunately the experts in SBML were all at a major > conference having to do with SBML so that was bad timing. > > > > since i'm not an expert in SBML, i was interested in how it might fit > into the use case the interest group is trying to put together. some > of the question i have is does it have enough uptake (like MAGE-TAB in > gene > expression) to be worth folding in, how easily does it translate to > OWL and RDF and are people doing that (apparently yes)? and so on... > > > > so i am looking forward to the next call, > > > > cheers, > > michael > > > > Michael Miller > > Software Engineer > > Institute for Systems Biology > > > > *From:* Helena Deus [mailto:helenad...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:03 AM > *To:* Erich Gombocz > *Cc:* Mark Wilkinson; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org; Jun Zhao > *Subject:* Re: Reminder: SysBio Wednesday 11AM ET / 4PM GMT / 5PM CET > > > > Hi guys, > > > > The fault is entirely mine, I asked Jun to keep the ball rolling as I > have not been very present lately due to project/work commitments :( > > > > Attached is a rough plan of where I want to take the systems biology > task force (and also the semantic systems biology here at DERI). > > > > I propose that we start by criticizing this plan, it's strengths and > weaknesses (i'm serious, feel free to put your reviewer's hat on ;-) ) > and use that in future discussion of the task force. > > > > I've also made it available as an editable google doc - I know a lot > of you have meaning full references that are very relevant, so I would > urge you to PLEASE add these to the document and not wait for me to do it... > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UrUOQmD9gswgBr1BQmdjRZ9VGuyTojd_8N > TUOJbUC3s/edit > > > > I really want to keep the ball rolling on this one, as I feel it is an > incredibly exciting project to work on (and an awesome group)! > > > > So, please feel free to participate and stay tuned for the next call > ;-) > > > > Best, > > Helena > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Erich > Gombocz<egomb...@io-informatics.com> > wrote: > > Dear All SysBio's: > > I'm agreeing with Mark's comments with all my heart and mind; me too > wants this group to succeed, so as Mark put it so pointedly, > > >> "what can WE (1), (2), (3) do to make these calls as useful to you as > they will be to us?" I understand that you're probably >> already talking to each other, since this field is your "baby", and > thus these calls have the potential to offer you little >> benefit beyond your existing email (etc.) chats! ...So... what can >> we > do, as the broader-community, to provide >> value/feedback/etc. that would ensure we all - experts and noobs >> alike > - get something useful out of this group and enjoy and>value the hour > that we spend together every couple of weeks? > > let's set the focus on common expectations for this group! > > Erich > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark [mailto:ma...@illuminae.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:18 AM > To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org; Jun Zhao > Subject: Re: Reminder: SysBio Wednesday 11AM ET / 4PM GMT / 5PM CET > > Hi all SysBio'ers! > > I know it isn't really my place to be saying anything, but... when has > that ever stopped me ;-) > > The last conference call was... odd?... and while Jun's extraordinary > efforts to keep it moving forward were greatly appreciated (!! well > done > !!) I think it might be worth having a very open discussion about what > our expectations are from this group, since it was a fairly small > group and apparently with a wide range of experience and expertise. > > From what I could hear, there were four "tiers" of expertise in the > group. Starting from the bottom: > > 1) People like me, who know nothing at all beyond that the > SysBio/Modeling community have worked hard on putting together > standards and technologies that are bearing fruit; and that I (as a > mere potential user of the tech) need to become MUCH more aware of > what they're doing in order to successfully pursue my own research > interests. So... I'm the ultimate lurker on the call. > > 2) People like Erich, who know *a lot* about what's going on in the > field (because this is their company's business!) but, as a vendor, > isn't going to be the first one to speak in a call like this because > it might come-off sounding like a sales-pitch. He's likely interested > in both how the technology is evolving (to ensure their products stay > current) as well as listening to the needs of the community (so that > their products stay relevant), but I don't expect him to lead the > discussion if for no other reason than he's simply too polite to > "take-over" :-) > > 3) People like Jun, who has put in a lot of time learning what's out > there, has a deep and genuine interest, and wants to discuss the pro's > and con's of the various pieces at some level of detail with people > who have at least tried to use it. (...but there weren't many! ...so > she was speaking to herself most of the time...) > > 4) The full experts in the domain, most of whom were not able to make > the call, unfortunately. And I don't say that in any way as an > accusation, but rather, looking forward, I see a potential "boredom > problem", which is what I think needs to be discussed. At least one > of the domain experts who did attend, left the call mid-chat on the > basis that it was "too simplistic" (exact quote from IRC)... so if we > don't find a way to engage you, the experts, we might be in for some > disappointing meetings! > > > What I'd like to ask the SysBio community - especially category (4), > since it seems to me that they are the critical ones to have on these > calls, > is: "what can WE (1), (2), (3) do to make these calls as useful to > you as they will be to us?" I understand that you're probably already > talking to each other, since this field is your "baby", and thus these > calls have the potential to offer you little benefit beyond your > existing email (etc.) chats! ...So... what can we do, as the > broader-community, to provide value/feedback/etc. that would ensure we > all - experts and noobs alike - get something useful out of this group > and enjoy and value the hour that we spend together every couple of > weeks? > > If I'm speaking out-of-turn, please flame me :-) I can take it! LOL! > I just want to see this group succeed, and I am willing to stick my > neck out to see if I can help! > > :-)===={ > > ^^^ > my neck > > Best wishes all! > > Mark > > > > >
