No, you missed my point. For greater public participation, I was saying keep
Associate Members and Interested Parties as is, but ADD a new email list open
to anyone, without having to sign the IPR or become an Associate Member or
Interested Party or sign any IPR. Arguably that would satisfy those who say
that general members of the public can’t make their views known.
From: Ryan Sleevi [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 3:33 PM
To: Kirk Hall (RD-US)
Cc: Dean Coclin; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [cabfpub] FW: Associate member of the CA/B Forum
On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:38 PM,
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
2. The issue of whether and how to open up the Forum to more voices comes
up often. I have said multiple times – I would not oppose, and might even
favor, a new email address where anyone in the world could post on issues
before us – so long as someone volunteers to moderate the postings and exclude
trolls, etc. And I would want to keep this list separate from the current
management@ (which deals with logistics issues among members) and separate from
the public@ list (which I think requires signing the IPR and becoming an
Associate Member to have posting rights). I think many of the blogging sites
run by others suffer from too many postings from people with strong opinion but
who are not directly affected by the subject at hand, who sometimes drown out
other voices, and I wouldn’t want that to happen with what we already have
(which seems a pretty efficient method for us to do our business). But a third
email address for an open list that someone volunteers to moderate could be
useful.
Interested Parties can participate on the list. That's the whole point of this
concern about Associate Members vs Interested Parties - interested parties CAN
fully participate on the list(s), as I pointed out earlier on the list, and was
previously raised on the call. See the Bylaws v 1.4 and compare Sections 3.1
with 3.2
All of the rights are the same, with two notable exceptions:
1) Interested parties cannot see or participate the management@ list
2) Interested Parties can't just show up at meetings / on calls - they have to
be invited by the Chair.
I argue that 1 is a good thing; I think there is a bias towards wanting to
conduct business in secret, especially as shown by the discussions of SHA-1,
and I think that harms, rather than helps, the ecosystem. Full members today
already struggle in making sure that substantive technical discussions happen
on the correct (public) list and don't occur on the management@ list during the
discussion of draft minutes.
And as I tried to explain in my previous message, 2 is also arguably a good
thing.
So if your concern is "Keep out Interested Parties" - that ship has already
sailed. Anyone who wants to join as an Interested Party can. And we've already
discussed (and accepted and acknowledged) that members can forward messages on
behalf of the 'general public' to the public@ list.
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