OK, permit givenName and surname, and also permit O field now since CA need 
time to update the system.
This ballot is for our IV SSL comply with BR that we don't like to use O field 
to confuse site visitor.


Regards,

Richard

> On 20 Aug 2016, at 11:33, Jeremy Rowley <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I don’t agree with this. We should permit givenName and surname for now, but 
> still permit O fields. There isn’t a good reason to switch over until after 
> we’ve seen the impact of moving to givenName and surname instead of the O 
> field.  The language for the state/locality is the same. An IV or OV cert 
> requires either a state or locality.  The OIDs are already clearly defined 
> under Section 7.1.6.1 of the BRs. This wouldn’t change.  
>  
> Jeremy
>  
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Wang
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 9:42 AM
> To: Bruce Morton <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [cabfpub] givenName and surname revived
>  
> See below inline, thanks.
> 
> Regards,
>  
> Richard
> 
> On 19 Aug 2016, at 20:40, Bruce Morton <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeremy,
>  
> Would like some clarification. On the call yesterday, it was said that IV 
> certificates were not defined, so this ballot will help resolve this.
>  
> Per 7.1.4.2.2 b, the current BRs allow givenName and surname to be included 
> in the organizationName field. Will this still be allowed? If so, what would 
> the certificate type be? OV or IV? I would prefer that these be OV 
> certificates.
>  
> R: I think we need to update this item in the same time that the givenName 
> and surname to be included in the organizationName field is not allowed. This 
> will confuse the site visitor think the personal name is a registered company 
> name.
>  
> 
> 
>  
> If we do make the changes and the CAs have to meet Microsoft’s requirement to 
> put a DV, OV, or IV certificate policy in the certificate, I think we should 
> clearly define each certificate type.
>  
> R: Yes.
> 
> 
>  
> Also, the stateOrProvinceName field appears to currently have an issue as it 
> does not have any language to address the case where there is no state or 
> province in the address.
>  
> R: I think locality and state/province must have one.
> 
> 
>  
> Thanks, Bruce.
>  
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> Behalf Of Jeremy Rowley
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:09 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [cabfpub] givenName and surname revived
>  
> Looking for two endorsers for the following revisions the baseline 
> requirements adding support for givenName and surname:
>  
> Insert a new (C) under 7.1.4.2.2, renumbering all subsequent bullets.
>  
> c. Certificate Field: subject:givenName (2.5.4.42) and subject:surname 
> (2.5.4.4)
> Optional.
> Contents:  If present, the subject:givenName field and subject:surname field 
> MUST contain an natural person Subject’s name as verified under Section 
> 3.2.3. A Certificate containing a subject:givenName field or subject:surname 
> field MUST contain the (2.23.140.1.2.3) Certificate Policy OID.
>  
> d. Certificate Field: Number and street: subject:streetAddress (OID: 2.5.4.9)
>     Optional if the subject:organizationName field, subject: givenName field, 
> or subject:surname field are is present. Prohibited if the 
> subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName, and subject:surname field 
> are is absent.
>    Contents: If present, the subject:streetAddress field MUST contain the 
> Subject’s street address information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1.
>  
> e. Certificate Field: subject:localityName (OID: 2.5.4.7)
> Required if the subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName field, or 
> subject:surname field are is present and the subject:stateOrProvinceName 
> field is absent. Optional if the subject:stateOrProvinceName field and the 
> subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName field, or subject:surname  
> field are present. Prohibited if the subject:organizationName field, 
> subject:givenName, and subject:surname field are is absent.
> Contents: If present, the subject:localityName field MUST contain the 
> Subject’s locality information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1. If the 
> subject:countryName field specifies the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code of XX 
> in accordance with Section 7.1.4.2.2(g), the localityName field MAY contain 
> the Subject’s locality and/or state or province information as verified under 
> Section 3.2.2.1.
>  
> f. Certificate Field: subject:stateOrProvinceName (OID: 2.5.4.8)
> Required if the subject:organizationName field field, subject:givenName 
> field, or subject:surname field are is present and the subject:localityName 
> field is absent. Optional if the subject:localityName field and the 
> subject:organizationName field, the subject:givenName field, or 
> subject:surname field are present. Prohibited if the subject:organizationName 
> field, subject:givenName field , or subject:surname field are is absent. 
> Contents: If present, the subject:stateOrProvinceName field MUST contain the 
> Subject’s state or province information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1. If 
> the subject:countryName field specifies the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code of 
> XX in accordance with Section 7.1.4.2.2(g), the subject:stateOrProvinceName 
> field MAY contain the full name of the Subject’s country information as 
> verified under Section 3.2.2.1.
>  
> g. Certificate Field: subject:postalCode (OID: 2.5.4.17)
> Optional if the subject:organizationName, subject:givenName field, or 
> subject:surname fields are is present. Prohibited if the 
> subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName field, or subject:surname 
> field are is absent.
> Contents: If present, the subject:postalCode field MUST contain the Subject’s 
> zip or postal information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1.
>  
> h. Certificate Field: subject:countryName (OID: 2.5.4.6)
> Required if the subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName , or 
> subject:surname field is present. Optional if the subject:organizationName 
> field, subject:givenName field, and  subject:surname field are is absent.
> Contents: If the subject:organizationName field is present, the 
> subject:countryName MUST contain the two‐letter ISO 3166‐1 country code 
> associated with the location of the Subject verified under Section 3.2.2.1. 
> If the subject:organizationName, subject:givenName field, and subject:surname 
>  field are  is absent, the subject:countryName field MAY contain the 
> two‐letter ISO 3166‐1 country code associated with the Subject as verified in 
> accordance with Section 3.2.2.3. If a Country is not represented by an 
> official ISO 3166‐1 country code, the CA MAY specify the ISO 3166‐1 
> user‐assigned code of XX indicating that an official ISO 3166‐1 alpha‐2 code 
> has not been assigned.
>  
> i. Certificate Field: subject:organizationalUnitName
> Optional.
> Contents: The CA SHALL implement a process that prevents an OU attribute from 
> including a name, DBA, tradename, trademark, address, location, or other text 
> that refers to a specific natural person or Legal Entity unless the CA has 
> verified this information in accordance with Section 3.2 and the Certificate 
> also contains subject:organizationName, subject:givenName, subject:surname, 
> subject:localityName, and subject:countryName attributes, also verified in 
> accordance with Section 3.2.2.1.
>  
> 7.1.6.1
> …
> If the Certificate asserts the policy identifier of 2.23.140.1.2.1, then it 
> MUST NOT include organizationName, givenName, surname, streetAddress, 
> localityName, stateOrProvinceName, or postalCode in the Subject field.
> …
>  
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