On 11/9/2018 5:57 μμ, Tim Hollebeek wrote:

Thanks for read it.

I’d rather not delay the ballot or make it more complicated.  There are several ballots that would be much easier to handle if the Ballot 216 rules were back in place, and that includes migrating Legacy WGs to subcommittees.


Until the new Bylaws are voted, the existing one applies and allows the migration of LWGs to subcommittees. However, as we discussed on the last call, the rules for creating a new subcommittee under a CWG are exactly the same as migrating an LWG to a subcommittee.

On the subject of obsolete text, there’s actually a ton of it in the BRs as well.  For example, we still have on the books rules about how to handle issuing certificates for Internal Names that contain gTLDs that are under consideration by ICANN.  There’s also a bunch of “Effective Date from many years ago…” that could be simplified.  We still have rules about pre-2010 key sizes.  I was thinking of handling some of that cleanup in the “Minor Cleanups” branch.


We do cleanups from time-to-time. The last one I remember was the SHA-1 deprecation effective dates in the main text. We keep this information only in section 1.2.2.

The issue with numbers that you note could be handled there as well.


Sure, editorial changes can be drafted later.

Dimitris.

-Tim

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Thanks Tim, the changes seem to be in order. I have two suggestions.

 1. Legacy WGs: If we delay this ballot for a couple of days and put
    it for vote after October 3rd, the language around Legacy Working
    Groups will be obsolete. I think it makes sense to wait a few
    days, remove section 5.3.4 and language around LWG in section 5.2.
 2. Consistency with representation of numbers in duration references:
    Sometimes, we use the text "7 days", sometimes we say "seven days"
    and sometimes we say "seven (7) days". I recommend changing all
    references with the format "seven (7) days".


Thoughts?
Dimitris.

On 11/9/2018 4:17 μμ, Tim Hollebeek via Public wrote:

    Reverting to using a draft ballot to get things right on the first
    try, since I can’t make updates once the discussion starts … if a
    few eagle-eyed people (Dimitris?  Ryan?) can review this ballot
    and the attached Bylaw changes, I’d appreciate it so we can get it
    up for vote quickly.

    Ballot FORUM-4: Fix mistakes made during passage of Governance
    Reform Ballot 206

    Purpose of Ballot

    The Governance Reform ballot (Ballot 206 under the old ballot
    numbering scheme) was extremely complicated and took roughly two
    years to draft.  There were two changes to the Bylaws that the
    Governance Reform Working Group intended to be included in the
    Governance Reform ballot that were accidentally not included in
    the final version of the Bylaws attached to Ballot 206:

     1. The changes to the rules about discussion periods that were
        approved in Ballot 216.
     2. Dimitris’ fixes for the numbers of the ETSI standards required
        for membership, to more closely align with what we require for
        WebTrust

    The attached version of the Bylaws restores the important
    discussion period changes that were approved by the members but
    then accidentally overwritten, and adopts Dimitris’ improvements
    which were intended by the Governance Reform Working Group to be
    in Ballot 206 but were accidentally omitted.

    The following motion has been proposed by Tim Hollebeek of
    DigiCert and endorsed by Wayne Thayer of Mozilla and Moudrick
    Dadashov of SSC.

    --- MOTION BEGINS ---

    This ballot replaces the “Bylaws of the CA/Browser Forum” version
    1.9 with version 2.0 of those Bylaws, attached to this ballot.

    --- MOTION ENDS ---

    The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:

    Discussion (7 days)

    Start Time: 2018-09-12, 9:00 am Eastern Time

    End Time: 2018-09-19, 9:00 am Eastern Time

    Vote for approval (7 days)

    Start Time: 2018-09-19, 9:00am Eastern Time

    End Time: 2018-09-26, 9:00am Eastern Time




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