Michael Foord wrote: > On 25/07/2011 11:52, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> Michael Foord wrote: >>> On 25/07/2011 10:10, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>>> Hi Michael, >>>> >>>> Michael Foord wrote: >>>>> On 25/07/2011 09:56, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>>>>> Could one of the list admins please turn the list archive >>>>>> of the pydotorg-www list into a private one ? >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think it's a good idea to let our setup information leak >>>>>> to the Internnet via search engines. >>>>> The *point* of pydotorg-www is that it is a public list. Private >>>>> information should be sent to pydotorg not pydotorg-www. >>>> I was only talking about the archives, not making it a private >>>> list altogether. >>> Sure, but losing public archives, and the ability to use search engines >>> to search the archives is a big loss. >>> >>> We don't make the archives of other public lists private because someone >>> sent an email they shouldn't have done - in fact we generally refuse to >>> even remove those emails from the archive. >> Right, but this mailing list is special in the sense that it >> discusses an important piece of the Python infrastructure. >> >> Unlike other mailing lists where such leakage usually only has impact >> on the one accidentally sending it, it can cause potential harm to >> the PSF servers in case of this list. > > Does the information leaked present a real risk?
If you look through the archives, it's very easy to find out about the infrastructure setup being used to run python.org. Take e.g. this thread as example: http://markmail.org/thread/kcxkjbesmbweaaj6#query:+page:1+mid:kcxkjbesmbweaaj6+state:results Thomas' email has revealed more information in that direction. It's not a direct risk, though. > I have a very strong > preference for keeping the archives public unless we absolutely have to. > I'd rather offending messages were scrubbed from the archive than the > list archives made private. That's not possible, I'm afraid, since the list archives on python.org are not only being picked up by Google, but also other sites which then co-host them, e.g. http://markmail.org/search/?q=pydotorg-www#query:pydotorg-www list%3Aorg.python.pydotorg-www+page:1+state:facets http://www.mail-archive.com/pydotorg-www@python.org/info.html http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pydotorg-www >> BTW: How often do you actually search on this mailing list ? >> > > What I often do is browse the archives, having to log in is a nuisance. > I also link to discussions on the list - making them private effectively > prevents that as people have to join the list just to view the > archives. Occasionally when I can't find a particular discussion I use > search to find it. Well, then what do you recommend to keep such infos off the net ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 25 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ _______________________________________________ pydotorg-www mailing list pydotorg-www@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www