Hello Didier Raboud,

Em 17-01-2011 21:32, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud escreveu:
> (I am the PySide PPA maintainer as well as the Debian and Ubuntu maintainer
> of the PySide stack)
>
> João Ventura wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> the same thing happened to me, and i can't seem to work it out. I'm
>> using ubuntu 10.10 and pyside 1.0~beta1 (because the ppa doesn't seem
>> to update to beta3), and since today the error occurs on "import
>> PySide".
> Hi João,
>
> "the ppa doesn't seem to update" sounds very funny: "updating to ~beta3" is
> not automagical: it implies a certain time of work and compilation. As I
> don't update the PPA with a possibly broken PySide, it takes at least 2
> compilations of it before the actual release and some actual packaging work.
> And I am doing this for 3 Ubuntu releases as well as for Debian.
>
> I'm doing this on my free time, which happens to be limited these days.
it was my bad choice of words. What i meant to say is that the ppa is
not updated to beta3 so i'm still using beta1 - that i use the
binaries from the ppa and not a home-compiled version. Not criticizing
the maintainer, far from it. My goal is just to try to help narrowing
the error to a specific version.
I know that it takes a lot of personal time, and i'm one of the people
who should be thankful to you (and i am, of course) as i use the
binaries you produce.

>> Last friday, it all worked fine, so it has to do with any ubuntu
>> update i have done this weekend.
> It's not a Ubuntu update you did; you updated from a PPA, which is far from
> being the same: a PPA is not part of the Ubuntu distribution. AFAICS the
> PySide version from Ubuntu Maverick works correctly.
Probabily, i must have updated things from pyside between my regular
ubuntu updates, and that led me to think that it was another library
(outside pyside) that was breaking something in PySide. As i said,
friday everything worked, today "import PySide" gives that error. The
error is from the PySide ppa update? Is there any possibility of
installing a previous version of things on the ppa?

>> When will this be ok? I've just lost today a day of work on this..
> Feel free to contract me to do the job faster; otherwise I'll continue to do
> this on a best-effort basis, during my free time.
Of course. Again, not refering to ppa's or anything. The reality is
that i've scheduled a free day today for working with PySide, and
could not do it. Had to install Ubuntu again, configure everything,
etc. It took me all day.

>> Btw, when will ubuntu ppa be updated to beta3?
> Before the end of the week, hopefully.
>
>> Thanks,
>> João Ventura
> Although my mail might sound rude, I really feel offended by the tone of
> yours. But I acknowledge that the process is not perfect: it might be
> possible to wait on PySide being ready to upload before uploading Shiboken,
> but it's more complicated for me.
It is not my purpose to offend anyone, even more when they are working
on their spare times. I've just registered today in the mailing list
to address this problem, and i have not consulted any more threads
than this one, so i don't know about what is happening and how things
work inside. I'm not accusing or pointing my fingers to anyone, and it
was not with that tone that i've wrote this email (or it was not that
intention, of course).

> And again, please note that I (as the PPA maintainer) am not reponsible for
> disappearing symbols: this is a responsability of PySide upstream and
> altough I am mildly annoyed by this fact, this is also normal during "beta"
> releases, which you still use despite this "beta" state.
>
> So please refrain from accusing (me in that case) people for work days lost
> (in particular when you are using beta free software): it only helps in
> taking away people's motivation.
Again, it was not my intention to accuse anyone, just refered to ppa
to contextualize my setup. It's my first post here, my firsts visits
to this mailing list, so i'm not in the position to accuse anyone. I
don't know anyone around here, no names are familiar to me, and that
is not absolutelly my way of working. I don't even know if the problem
is with the ppa, and never thought the ppa could have something to do
with it.

> Respectfully,
>
> OdyX
I sure hope you don't fell demotivated. You are doing a terrific good
job by maintaining the ppa and a lot of people seems to use the fruits
of your work, and that is extremelly positive.


João Ventura
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