Jason R. Coombs <jar...@jaraco.com> added the comment:

> Why do we keep setuptools?

I agree; would be good to remove it if possible.

There are many packages that fail to build without Setuptools being present or 
--use-pep517 indicated. It would be nice if pip could make --use-pep517 the 
default, update that in Python, and then remove Setuptools. I would expect that 
approach will cause a great deal less turmoil in the ecosystem.

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