I presume Jupyter also lets you import code from a file, which you edit outside, Jupyter? Is,that not an option for you?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:09 Thomas Viehmann <t...@beamnet.de> wrote: > On 16/06/2020 20:02, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > Very few stars. This suggests not many people care about this problem, > and > > that in turn might explain the lukewarm response you find everywhere. > > This seems to be the core, and combined with the cost of measuring > performance impacts of adding a new field, it may well not be worth it > from a Python developer's perspective. > I see it clearly now. > > > Lastly, I have to ask: Why is this so important to you? What does this > > prevent you from doing? You have illustrated the problem with toy > examples > > -- but what is the real-world problem you're encountering (apparently > > regularly) that causes you to keep pushing on this? This needs to be > > explored especially since so few other people appear to need this to > work. > > I do all nearly my Python development work on Jupyter notebooks. > One thing I miss is getting the class source code (via Jupyter > Notebook's ??). When things get large and complicated enough, it seems > that I end up trying to look at my own code. > > The other part is that I might be overly fond of manipulating Python > programs themselves. For example, PyTorch (a library sometimes used for > machine learning) sports a JIT for a subset of Python and I spent some > time trying to see why they can parse functions but not classes (instead > they look at the methods one by one on instances of the class, which > works, but always feels like a work-around). Before that method came > about, I tried for a while to work with classes directly, and this is > was a large part of the original motivation of looking to fix access to > source code. > > In hindsight, it would seem that this feature is mostly interesting to > tool developers, not the general population, and again, I can see why > it's a very niche feature that likely isn't worth going through the > process of adding support for from Python's perspective. > > Thank you for taking the time to consider my request, I sincerely > appreciate it and I learned a great deal from our conversation and it > makes me feel much better about the ill fate of my proposed patch. > > Best regards > > Thomas > -- --Guido (mobile)
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