On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Antoine Pitrou <solip...@pitrou.net> wrote: > On Sat, 30 May 2015 10:34:15 +1000 > Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 30 May 2015 09:57, "Antoine Pitrou" <solip...@pitrou.net> wrote: >> > >> > On Sat, 30 May 2015 01:49:10 +0200 >> > Christian Heimes <christ...@python.org> wrote: >> > > For performance patches we have to consider our responsibility for the >> > > environment. Every improvement means more speed and less power >> > > consumption. Python runs of hundreds of thousands of machines in the >> > > cloud. Python 2.7 will be used for at least half a decade, probably >> > > longer. Servers can be replaced with faster machines later and less >> > > fossil fuel must be burned to produce power. >> > >> > Please keep your ideology out of this. >> >> I'm a qualified engineer (in computer systems engineering), so caring about >> environmental sustainability is part of my professional ethical standards, >> not just a matter of personal preference: http://www.wfeo.org/ethics/ > > There is no reason to assume that a smallish performance improvement in > a single Python 2.7 release will make any difference in "environmental > sustainability" of the world's computing infrastructure, while the > problem is measured in orders of magnitude. The onus is on to you to > prove the contrary. Otherwise, bringing it up is mere ideology.
The magnitude of the environmental benefit of Python performance improvement is uncertain, but we know what direction it's going to be. If there's going to be a massive maintenance nightmare, or if the change comes at a cost of functionality or debuggability, then sure, the onus is on the person begging for performance improvements; but if there's no such cost (or if the cost is being carried by the same person/people who proposed the change), then surely it's worth something? Suppose someone came up with a magic patch that makes the CPython core run 25% faster. No downsides, just 25% faster across the board. I wouldn't pay money for it on the sole basis of expecting to make that back in reduced electricity bills, but I certainly wouldn't be sorry to watch the load averages drop. Why is this controversial? ChrisA _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
