> On Jun 16, 2016, at 4:46 AM, Barry Warsaw <ba...@python.org> wrote:
>
> We can educate them through documentation, but I don't think it's appropriate
> to retrofit existing APIs to different behavior based on those faulty
> assumptions, because that has other negative effects, such as breaking the
> promises we make to experienced and knowledgeable developers.
You can’t document your way out of a usability problem, in the same way that
while it was true that urllib was *documented* to not verify certificates by
default, that didn’t matter because a large set of users used it like it did
anyways.
In my opinion, this is a usability issue as well. You have a ton of third party
documentation and effort around “just use urandom” for Cryptographic random
which is generally the right (and best!) answer except for this one little
niggle on a Linux platform where /dev/urandom *may* produce predictable bytes
(but usually doesn’t). That documentation typically doesn’t go into telling
people this small niggle because prior to getrandom(0) there wasn’t much they
could do about it except use /dev/random which is bad in every other situation
but early boot cryptographic keys.
Regardless of what we document it as, people are going to use os.urandom for
cryptographic purposes because for everyone who doesn’t keep up on exactly what
modules are being added to Python who has any idea about cryptography at all is
going to look for a Python interface to urandom. That doesn’t even begin to
touch the thousands upon thousands of uses that already exist in the wild that
are assuming that os.urandom will always give them cryptographic random, who
now *need* to write this as:
try:
from secrets import token_bytes
except ImportError:
from os import urandom as token_bytes
In order to get the best cryptographic random available to them on their
system, which assumes they’re even going to notice at all that there’s a new
secrets model, and requires each and every use of os.urandom to change.
Honestly, I think that the first sentence in the documentation should most
obviously be the most pertinent one, and the first sentence here is "Return a
string of n random bytes suitable for cryptographic use.”. The bit about how
the exact quality depends on the OS and documenting what device it uses is, to
my eyes, obviously a hedge to say that “Hey, if this gives you bad random it’s
your OSs fault not ours, we can’t produce good random where your OS can’t give
us some” and to give people a suggestion of where to look to determine if
they’re going to get good random or not.
I do not think “uses /dev/urandom” is, or should be considered a core part of
this API, it already doesn’t use /dev/urandom on Windows where it doesn’t exist
nor does it use /dev/urandom in 3.5+ if it can help it. Using getrandom(0) or
using getrandom(GRND_NONBLOCK) and raising an exception on EAGAIN is still
accessing the urandom CSPRNG with the same general runtime characteristics of
/dev/urandom outside of cases where it’s not safe to actually use /dev/urandom.
Frankly, I think it’s a disservice to Python developers to leave in this
footgun.
—
Donald Stufft
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