> On 3 Nov 2019, at 11:39, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 9:34 PM Anders Hovmöller <bo...@killingar.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 3 Nov 2019, at 10:28, Steven D'Aprano <st...@pearwood.info> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 12:23:02AM -0700, Brendan Barnwell wrote:
>>> 
>>>>   For the record, I have always thought that str.join should call str
>>>>   on all its arguments.  The fact that it doesn't is really annoying.
>>> 
>>> Given:
>>> 
>>>   values = ["Hello", b"World"]
>>> 
>>> would you expect ' '.join(values) to return
>>> 
>>>   "Hello b'World'"
>>> 
>>> because that's what you'll get calling str automatically.
>> 
>> Side note!
>> 
>> That misfeature of python 3 was one of the largest source of continuing bugs 
>> in production for us after we switched.
>> 
> 
> What misfeature? The fact that str() is able to give a representation
> for any object? That dates back a lot further than Python 3.0.

That's a bit overstating how good str(x) is.  Mostly it just gives you the type 
and a memory address that is mostly useless. It could have done that with 
bytes. 
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