Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Manuel Graune wrote: > >> Matthew Woodcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >>> >>>> <http://www.asktog.com/SunWorldColumns/S02KeyboardVMouse3.html> >>> >> And "cursor keys"? Please, every self respecting editor has ways for >> moving around quite a bit more efficiently. >> >> And on top of that a use case, which no one in his right mind would >> do this way. Accomplishing this task with search-and-replace would >> have taken about 10 seconds. With Mouse or Keyboard. > > Just to reinforce the point that the above was in no way an artificial or > isolated case: > > <http://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.html> > <http://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi22KeyboardVMouse2.html>
Without knowing more about the design of those studies, further discussion is kind of pointless. I would really like to see a comparison of "mouse-centered IDEs" (e. g. Eclipse) vs. "keyboard-centered IDEs" (e. g. Emacs). used for some small progamming task (and not isolated editing problems). For one thing, most programmers more or less <quote> are not normal people. We tend to have superior memories, we actually grasp boolean logic, we have formed priesthoods around the most egregious interfaces, and we have a firm belief that the average citizen is in search of an editor for his daily C and Pascal coding tasks. We are not firmly rooted in the real world. </quote> So I'm not really concerned about the first-time user, for which without a doubt a mouse-based user-interface is easier (and probably faster). I need an editor/IDE I feel comfortable with after using it for a month or longer. And for the record: Being subjectively faster is good enough for me. I don't really care if I could have saved 15 minutes at the end of the day with the objectively faster interface, if I don't feel slowed down. But since this is not a usability-NG and I originally just wanted to point out that the specific example is far from ideal, I won't continue this discussion in this NG. If you want to, you can contact me by mail. Regards, Manuel -- A hundred men did the rational thing. The sum of those rational choices was called panic. Neal Stephenson -- System of the world http://www.graune.org/GnuPG_pubkey.asc Key fingerprint = 1E44 9CBD DEE4 9E07 5E0A 5828 5476 7E92 2DB4 3C99 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list