On Dec 22, 1:50 pm, Luis M. González <luis...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 22, 3:44 pm, r <rt8...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Steve Holden > > > > What makes you assume this is a zero-sum game, and that Python won't > > > survive if any other language becomes popular. Every language borrows > > > from those that came before it. Terms like "outright plagiarism" don't > > > encourage rational debate, and make you seem like a troll who is more > > > interested in stirring up controversy than actually doing things to help > > > promote the language. > > > This is a war Steve, and i will explain why. Python does not need to > > compete with perl, lisp, C, basic, etc, etc. WHY, well because python > > is SO radically different than those languages. Ruby on the other > > hand, took most from python, the only difference is Ruby's full OO > > integration.(12.method()). Since Ruby is so similar to python we must > > consider that some people who would have found only python in this > > niche now could go to Ruby. I am for choices, but this is out and out > > robbery! > > Of course we must stand on the shoulders of greater minds than our own > > to get ahead, but using someone's knowledge against them is wrong. If > > Ruby want's to incorporate so many Pythonian ideas into their > > language, at least put a note in the tutorial giving credit to Guido > > for his wisdom. Don't use our ideas and then bash python in the next > > breath! > > > > I have an article about the Zen coming up in "Python Magazine" so I > > > won't steal its thunder. Suffice it to say that people take the Zen far > > > too seriously. Anyone who does so undermines their own credibility as a > > > Python commentator. This isn't a war. Stop being childish. > > > I was speaking to the loyalty of Pythonista's. Of course we are not > > really going to slay mats, come on Steve, get real! > > > > If all you want from a language is speed, go use C. I would avoid > > > assembly language though, since a modern optimizing C compiler will > > > often beat an assembly language programmer for execution speed, and the > > > programming time will definitely be shorter. But to make speed the > > > be-all and end-all is a witless approach. Speed is definitely not why > > > dynamic languages' popularity is increasing. Speed *is* still relevant > > > in certain areas, and completely irrelevant in others. > > > Come on Steve, i am NOT saying speed is the only thing that matters > > here! But it is very important. I never compared Python to C, that is > > madness. But it must be better, faster, smarter than it's direct > > competition(ruby)... you agree?? > > > > Much more of this kind of tripe and nobody will read what you write > > > anyway. You will hear the plonking of a hundred thousand newsreaders > > > every time you post. > > > Oh Steve... Listen, my words are ment as a wake-up-call to all who > > still love Python, and i believe you are one of them. Maybe old age > > has slowed your hand, that's OK, Us "youngsters" will take the helm. > > And be serious, do you really think this group is read by "hundreds-of- > > thousands of news readers? I wish it were, but I highly doubt it. > > Dude, calm down... There is no war here. > Please turn off your computer, go take a walk for awhile, experience > some real life in the outer world, and then think about this again. > Python is cool language, Ruby too. We are all happy and competition is > good. > Nobody will win this "war" and the loser won't be annihilated. I hope > there will be some healthy cross-pollination. > There is actually, for example python borrowed list-comprehensions > from haskell and I've never heard any haskell fan calling for jihad. > > Did you know that people are looking forward to use pypy to create a > fast ruby implementation? > Pypy is being developed by python developers and they will be happy to > see a ruby, perl, logo or whatever language implemented with pypy. We > are talking about tools, not religions. > Those who use them to create useful, real life applications know it. > > Soon, we will be able to use python libraries from ruby and the other > way around. the differences will be just a matter of taste, different > syntax to achieve the same tasks. > > Luis
Your right, Python needs Ruby, and do you know why??? The same reason MS needs, Mac & Linux. So they do not fall asleep at the wheel! This keeps MS on there toes(although still no explanation for their piss- poor product). Python needs Ruby so we don't fall asleep. Ruby may be the best thing that happened to Python. Wake Up people! The writing is on the Wall! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
