Stephen Kellett wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Markus Wankus 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> 
>> Have you ever tried anything that provides real, usable refactoring 
>> like Eclipse does with Java?  I guarantee if you used it more than a 
>> few times your view would most likely change.
> 
> 
> I was forced to use Eclipse recently. Dreadful. I really disliked it. I 
> never got as far as wanting to refactor things. I couldn't wait to stop 
> using it.
> 
>> The fact is, code evolves.  You simply cannot write high-quality 
>> software in one pass.
> 
> 
> Total agreement. My point is that productivity gains from refactoring 
> tools are the least of your worries. Hiring good staff that know how to 
> write, test and debug software is very much more important than the 
> amount of time a refactoring tool will save.
> 
> Stephen

Well, I have been using it for 2 years now, and while I still prefer 
Python "big-time" to Java, I have really grown to love Eclipse.  To each 
his own I guess.

I agree you shouldn't bank on productivity gains from refactoring tools. 
    And I agree they are definitely no kind of replacement for good 
people.  I just think it is silly not to benefit from them.

M.
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