On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 16:14:13 -0500, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On 12/2/13 3:38 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
>> On 11/29/2013 04:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>>
>>> Out of the nine tests, Python 3.3 passes six, with three tests being
>>> failures or dubious. If you believe that the native string type should
>>> operate on code-points, then you'll think that Python does the right
>>> thing.
>>
>> I think Python is doing it correctly. If I want to operate on
>> "clusters" I'll normalize the string first.
>>
>> Thanks for this excellent post.
>>
>> --
>> ~Ethan~
>
> This is where my knowledge about Unicode gets fuzzy. Isn't it the case
> that some grapheme clusters (or whatever the right word is) can't be
> normalized down to a single code point? Characters can accept many
> accents, for example. In that case, you can't always normalize and use
> the existing string methods, but would need more specialized code.
That is correct.
If Unicode had a distinct code point for every possible combination of
base-character plus an arbitrary number of diacritics or accents, the
0x10FFFF code points wouldn't be anywhere near enough.
I see over 300 diacritics used just in the first 5000 code points. Let's
pretend that's only 100, and that you can use up to a maximum of 5 at a
time. That gives 79375496 combinations per base character, much larger
than the total number of Unicode code points in total.
If anyone wishes to check my logic:
# count distinct combining chars
import unicodedata
s = ''.join(chr(i) for i in range(33, 5000))
s = unicodedata.normalize('NFD', s)
t = [c for c in s if unicodedata.combining(c)]
len(set(t))
# calculate the number of combinations
def comb(r, n):
"""Combinations nCr"""
p = 1
for i in range(r+1, n+1):
p *= i
for i in range(1, n-r+1):
p /= i
return p
sum(comb(i, 100) for i in range(6))
I'm not suggesting that all of those accents are necessarily in use in
the real world, but there are languages which construct arbitrary
combinations of accents. (Or so I have been lead to believe.)
--
Steven
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