On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Jim Lee <jle...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 06/17/2018 05:39 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Jim Lee <jle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 06/17/2018 02:17 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> My apologies, stuff wrapped and I misread as I skimmed back. You were >>>> the one who used the word "shoehorned". In the same way, that sounds >>>> like you already knew the language, and then someone added extra >>>> features that don't fit. It's not shoehorning if the feature was >>>> already there before you met the language. >>>> >>>> The point is the same, the citation incorrect. Mea culpa. >>>> >>>> ChrisA >>> >>> >>> Of course it is "shoehorning". Why do you care when I started using the >>> language? Shoehorning implies an attempt to add a feature that didn't >>> exist >>> in the original design - a feature that is a difficult, awkward, or >>> ill-fitting complement to the original design. Whether it happened >>> yesterday or 12 years ago is immaterial. When I personally met the >>> language >>> is also immaterial. >>> >>> Microsoft "shoehorned" a Linux subsystem into Windows. I don't even use >>> Windows, yet by your logic, I can't call it "shoehorning". >> >> Or maybe that's an indication of a change in design goals. Python's >> original goal was to be very similar to C, and thus had a lot of >> behaviours copied from C; up until Python 2.2, the default 'int' type >> would overflow if it exceeded a machine word. Were long integers >> shoehorned into the design, or does it indicate that the design was >> modified to welcome them? >> >> Personally, I think the Linux subsystem is (a) no different from (but >> converse to) Wine, and (b) a good stepping-stone towards a Windows >> release using a Unix kernel. >> >> ChrisA > > I say: "frobnitz was broken". > > You say: "you can't call frobnitz broken because it was broken before you > found out it was broken". > > > I say: "foo is bad". > > You say: "foo is no different than bar (except it's the opposite), and might > eventually be like baz (which doesn't exist)." > > > Hard to argue with that kind of...umm...logic. :)
That isn't what I said, and you know it. I said that you can't decry changes that were before your time (they're simply the way things are). My comments about the Linux subsystem are parenthetical. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
