On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Andy Robinson wrote:

On 13 October 2011 17:26, Harry Percival <harry.perci...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi-ho python peeps,

Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven
Django development, with Selenium?

So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?  London
area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted...


This could be highly relevant for us and of my clients.  Possibly 5
people from us if the timing is right.

Has anybody else experimented with PhantomJS yet? It's essentially QtWebKit plus a thin wrapper. Though it does still need an X server currently, that's easily met with xvfb-run. I've recently started using it, and it seems well suited to both TDD and functional testing. I like that when a test fails and I drop into PDB (leaving my web server test fixture -- which is relatively slow to set up and tear down -- running in a subprocess) I can run the entire browser set up, test execution and tear down in under 1 second. I also like the fact that there's a very convenient one-liner to dump a PDF "screenshot" of the rendered web page. With selenium, though you can leave the browser running, I always found it rather slow to develop tests and debug failing tests -- that hasn't beeen the case with PhantomJS so far, though it's early days still. I should note I am likely being unfair to selenium here because the tests I'm writing are relatively small compared to the selenium tests I worked on before. But not all that unfair, I think. I guess I should also state the obvious: selenium still has an important role because it supports multiple web browsers.

I'd be interested to hear people's experience of zombie.js, envjs, and HtmlUnit for testing -- in particular, whether you've had to make any changes to your existing JavaScript code. Not having to do so is the most obvious draw of PhantomJS over those tools, but perhaps I'm being hard on them?

I've been waiting for this kind of thing for about seven years (even started work on one myself back then), so it's great to see all these lightweight headless browsers appear.

Anybody considered doing something like capybara in Python? It provides implementations of a common API for most of these systems (including PhantomJS, envjs and selenium I think).


John
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