On Jan 8, 2005, at 17:41, Jack Jansen wrote:
On 7-jan-05, at 22:55, Brendan Simons wrote:
This is an old thread, (and an old topic) but my question is about the state of the "new tools" described in Bob's presentation at last year's pyCon.
Scanning the archives, I see Jack and Just have talked about a PyObjC-based python ide since 2002. I've really anxious to see how they are coming along.
Aren't we all:-(
The problem is one of time: I've spent all of my working hours the last year on a completely un-pythonic project (www.ambulantplayer.org, but I do plan to do Python bindings some time this year), and now that I finally have some time to do Python work I'm concentrating on the important infrastructural problems (mainly the "multiple-python-problem" and getting Package Manager to be more maintainable). I assume Just is similarly occupied by other priorities (hmm, that doesn't look like english:-).
I've also been working on infrastructure problems (py2app, PyObjC, helping however I can with Python), and commercial projects.
I haven't even had the time to seriously look at PyOXIDE, let alone the other contenders. But I'm still very interested in getting a good replacement for the IDE, it's just that I don't have the time to invest in it.
I haven't taken a serious look at it (or anything else) either. I'm quite interested in helping to replace the IDE, but I also don't have the time for at least a few months. I would like to make some major changes to PyObjC, some minor changes to py2app, and work on the packman problem before I start on any IDE work.
Is there some way we could turn this "next generation IDE" thing into a group effort?
I think that two of the most important and difficult things to tackle are an out-of-process interpreter and debugger that work well. At least, those are the two things I would work on first, because they would be most useful to me. I already have sufficient tools for editing text :) The py lib project <http://codespeak.net/py/> would be a good place to start I think (py.execnet, specifically, would be a reasonable to to implement an out-of-process interpreter and debugger).
-bob
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