Hi Bill,

On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Bill Janssen wrote:

>> That's just one icon, we need several icons. At least we now have a
>> consistent set of icons. An historical looking set of icons, but a  
>> *set*
>> of icons.
>
> Yes, I comprehend, several different icons for the various
> applications are needed.  The base logo is just a starting place.
>
>>> Surely better to act up front!  More snakes on the web page!
>>
>> But Python isn't named after snakes ;-) ;-)
>
> Doesn't matter.  The dominant connotation is snakish, and therefore
> scary to susceptible folk.  I think they should be gently steered
> towards "Lisp" (unfortunate connotation there) or perhaps "Ruby" (hard
> to argue with that connotation).

Okay, this is all getting a bit silly, but I'll respond just for the  
record. With all due respect, I think you're being condescending. No  
one's going to freak out by seeing the PyGame picture, or the  
mod_python Apache picture, or the beta.python.org logo, or the  
Windows icon, or need I go on? They don't scare or bother anyone, and  
I have yet to hear of anyone who is bothered by the very word "Python".

The issue is with that particular icon. It doesn't convey, shall we  
say, positive imagery. Scary, dangerous, and "the snake as temptor  
and devil" are not I think ideas which accurately represent the  
Python programming language, nor accurately reflect the outlook of  
its community. Do you?

Maybe you think it's a joke that some people would see the icon as  
creepy, or downright offensive, but whether or not the imagery in the  
icon was intended (which I doubt it was, except perhaps as a joke),  
it is there, and some people viewing it are certainly going to think  
it was intentional. If you want a new icon, and you all are simply  
unable to be patient and see what I'm able to come up with, do what  
Donovan said and go with the official Python icon. At least no one  
will be scared or offended by that.

Of course, if you do so and say the issue is settled, I'm going to be  
more than a little upset because I was asked to look into generating  
an icon, I have done so and even found someone who has already done  
some initial work on it, and I'm going to have to tell this person to  
scrap their work simply because you guys are impatient. We're not  
working on your dime, you know. You and Chris asked for a favor and I  
agreed, and in fact I put a fair amount of time into researching what  
was out there and finally found someone interested a few days ago,  
but then when I can't produce something for you at lightning speed  
you just want to say forget it? I mean, seriously, you can't wait a  
few weeks on changing an icon that has been used for what, almost a  
decade?

Kevin

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