Am 24.09.2026 um 18:06 hat Michael S. Tsirkin geschrieben:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2026 at 12:46:41PM +0200, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > Am 24.09.2026 um 11:29 hat Alex Bennée geschrieben:
> > > Kevin Wolf <[email protected]> writes:
> > > 
> > > > Am 21.09.2026 um 15:20 hat Daniel P. Berrangé geschrieben:
> > > >> On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 09:52:48AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > > >> > +.. note:: **Use of AI does not remove the need for authors to comply
> > > >> > +          with all other requirements for contribution.**  In 
> > > >> > particular,
> > > >> > +          the ``Signed-off-by`` label in a patch submission is a 
> > > >> > statement
> > > >> > +          that the author takes responsibility for the entire 
> > > >> > contents of
> > > >> > +          the patch, certifying that their patch submission is made 
> > > >> > in
> > > >> > +          accordance with the rules of the :ref:`Developer's 
> > > >> > Certificate of
> > > >> > +          Origin (DCO) <dco>`.
> > > >> > +
> > > >> > +          Since a submitter cannot audit LLM output against its 
> > > >> > training
> > > >> > +          data, the DCO is paired with :ref:`metadata in the commit 
> > > >> > message
> > > >> > +          <ai-used-for>` about AI-generated parts.  The DCO still 
> > > >> > certifies
> > > >> > +          that the contributor has the legal right to submit code 
> > > >> > in general.
> > > >> 
> > > >> I'm not a fan of this second paragraph, as that feels like it is 
> > > >> undermining
> > > >> the DCO. That first sentence in particular is somewhat saying that the
> > > >> contributor does not have to think about plagarism and thed project is 
> > > >> ok
> > > >> with that, and also implying that the DCO doesn't apply to the LLM 
> > > >> output.
> > > >> This is both not OK in its implication of the project accepting some
> > > >> liability, and then also contradicted by the next sentence.
> > > >> 
> > > >> IMHO this paragraph should just be removed.  The first paragraph 
> > > >> clearly
> > > >> states the DCO applies to the submission as a whole, and leaves all 
> > > >> liability
> > > >> for infringement on the contributor.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think making this the individual contributor's problem is great.
> > > > It's rather unfriendly towards contributors to expect them to certify
> > > > something that we all know they can't honestly certify.
> > > 
> > > This is the current position with the DCO anyway. If the contributor has
> > > copy and pasted (and maybe adapted) from Stack Overflow they are still
> > > realistically the only person that can make that judgement.
> > 
> > Yes, that's the current position with the DCO and the reasoning why we
> > said LLM output is unacceptable in submissions.
> > 
> > The big difference is if I copy and pasted from Stack Overflow, I _know_
> > that I did that. If the LLM effectively does it for me, I don't know
> > that. The best I can do is check if I can find similar code elsewhere.
> 
> You can block your LLM from accessing stack overflow.

Given that training my own model from scratch isn't a realistic option,
I can't block the LLM from being trained on data from Stack Overflow.

Kevin


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