Brian,
I wasn't being sarcastic at all, nor "elitist". I thought the last DP
released version was generally available as PD - I hadn't looked for it, as
I was one of those who bought the entire DP collection of programs from
freddy for about 100 quid just prior to DP closing down - so I already had
it and every other DP program.
I don't regard the perfection issue as a lost cause at all - Malcolm Cadman
has said he will talk to Dave Gilham about it at a soon forthcoming London
meeting, so if I get an OK from Dave, then the version I have can be
released IMMEDIATELY.
I'm sure Roy can comment on the other gripe, but I am certain he did
everything in his power to report your findings to the author concerned,
and also to get a reply. This is par for the course though these days -
decent authors and programmers are leaving the QL scene, and there is not a
lot the traders can do about it - I know the feeling. Mark Knight is a
prime example.
Cheers,
Darren Branagh,
Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business,
Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland.
Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813.
Direct Line:- (+353)-1-6176082
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Im not quite sure if that was a sarcastic aside?? I thought it was a
genuine
observation. It seems to me that the "QL WORLD" is getting too elitist and
forgetting the bottom of the heap, you know, the ordinary users. No wonder
QL users are leaving in a steady trickle for Mr Gates world when our
experts
act too aloof. Point in mind, apart from Perfection, which I now believe is
a lost cause - I purchased (yes, purchased) an update from Qbranch of
Datadesign for the high colour drivers. It don't work past the first filter
level. Report it to Roy Wood, who duly said he would report the findings to
the author/updater .... To date, no reply, no nothing. I am now a few quid
out of pocket with something worse than the thing it was perported to
update! Roy says he has had no feedback from whoever supposedly updated the
code. Why?. I have been with my QL, Aurora and ultimately my Q40 since
1985.
It is beginning to feel like its time to move on and leave Qdos/Smsq/e to
all of you elitists
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> Ohhhhh... Sorry!!
>
> I had thought it was available, just the hi-res screen version that
> wasn't.
>
> Dilwyn - is it in your PD library??
>
> Calling Dave GIlham.................
>
> cheers,
>
> Darren Branagh,
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> Darren, you are missing my point.. If DP released the original PERFECTION
> as
> freeware, then why isn't THAT version available?
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>> Freddy gave permission for the original version to be released, ie. the
>> one
>> he created.
>>
>> Mark and Dave have done considerable work on the version I have, and in
>> the
>> pure and simple interest of good manners, i feel it would be unfair to
>> distribute it until I hear from them. I'm sure it would be fine, but
lets
>> just say I have incurred Marks fury on one occasion before, and I don't
>> want to go there again. Mark never told me the status of the upgraded
>> version he gave me - was it to be charityware, cardware, freeware,
>> shareware or what. I'm not going to release something into the PD unless
>> I'm sure thats what the author(s) wanted done with it. The majority of
it
>> is Freddy's work, sure, but some of the code in there is Marks.
>>
>> I sent an email to the address Dilwyn provided, but it bounced
>> back...............
>>
>> So, unless someone has a newer email or phone number for Mark (or Dave),
>> well...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Darren Branagh,
>> Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business,
>> Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland.
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>> If Freddie Vaccha gave permission for Perfection to become freeware,
then
>> why can't it be released eh????
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>>
>>> .
>>>> Not entirely true :-) I submitted that idea to my graduating
supervisor
>>>> professor at the uni and I was approved :-) That means that the
>>>> ql-archive
>>>> will be a reality (that is if I want to graduate in December ;-)
>>>> For status now: I am finished with the database structure and most of
>> the
>>>> search code (in PHP).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Glad to hear this, but I am not so interested in the technical side of
>> the
>>> archiving, but in the practical. I am not sure that the people who
> raised
>>> this issue 2 months ago were all talking about the same thing. Pity
> there
>>> was no proper discussion of this at the time.
>>>
>>> Practical problems are for example:
>>>
>>> 1: How do you make a complete inventory of all the QL software, both PD
>>> and
>>> commercial, that has ever been published? This first stage could occupy
> a
>>> team for months on end.
>>>
>>> 2: How do you contact the copyright holders and/or authors when there
is
>>> no
>>> up to date contact information? Specifically how would you solve the
>>> QLiberator problem.
>>>
>>> 3: How do you sort out complicated copyright questions? For example
>> Freddy
>>> V
>>> gave permission for Perfection to become freeware, but not
Spellchecker.
>>> Or
>>> think of the situation with the EasyPtr upgrade.
>>>
>>> 4: How do you cope with the anal retention problem, where an author
>>> refuses
>>> to release or modify code? (e.g. the Text87 problem.)
>>>
>>> If we are really serious about a software archive, then it should not
be
>> a
>>> one man effort, but a team looking at these problems.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>
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