On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 08:38:11PM +0000, Dan Melomedman wrote:
> 0% NFS box failure doesn't mean 0% application failure which thinks NFS 
> share is a regular FS. 

Show me a single Maildir access failure related to Maildir on NFS opposed to
Maildir on local disk.

> You're all mentioning the same vendor, and how great their implementation 
> is. Blah Blah. Just the fact that you had to spend $20,000 on A PC with RAID 
> and proprietary OS says something about most NFS implementations, and the 
> its design doesn't it? 

The NetApps are indeed great. The OpenBSD NFS implementation is rock-solid.
The NetBSD and FreeBSD NFS implementations shouldn't be worse.

Just the fact that linux' NFS implementation suxx hard doesn't mean the
protocol is bad.
SMTP is bad because sendmail is bad?
Unix sucks because Linux sucks?

> In the case of GFS it doesn't cost anything

GFS is proprietary.

I'd like to add a quote:

"The choice we have is to pursuit the goal of higher buzzword compliancy and
import the Open Source Community Developed Object Oriented "We have a web
page, logo, mascot and mailing list before code" Journaled Tree-oriented
Extent Allocating Filesystem Of The Week, or to choose compatibility with
exisiting systems and improve the time-proven file system we have right now."
(Artur Grabowski on misc at openbsd.org 09/30/2001)

The same applies to NFS versus Network-File-System-Of-The-Week.

Or in other words (quoting Wim Vandeputte at FOSDEM): "OpenBSD is pretty old
shit, and we are proud of it."
A car had 4 wheels 100 years ago and still has. Given, it has ABS today, but
it is basically still the same. It was engineered, opposed to reinvented
every few years, which kinda is what happens in our business quite often. 

> I have been fortunate not to run NFS, but it's a major PITA for many 
> sysadmins

Improper implemented, yes.

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