Hi Hugo,

> Have you considered DSPAM instead of spamassassin? 

I remember looking at this a few years back and rejecting it.  I don't
remember why, but I remember I did...

> I don't know 
> spamassassin that well,

Here is my rub, because I am familiar with it, and it has served me
extremely well over the years.  while I am willing to consider
alternatives, it doesn't change that I would still rather use the thing
I know.  its a bugger about the spamc username/email-address thing...

>  but i'm aware that DSPAM is highly configurable, 
> supports per user settings, including separate spam dictionaries, 
> quarantine, etc ... and it's highly accurate if configured/trained right 
> and it's FAST. 

I have spent some time today looking over documentation for dspam, I
certainly don't find any reason to reject it presently.  In fact, it
seems to have some very cool features.  I will install it to see how it
works.  Right now I am building a test server, though, so unfortunately
I wont' be able to put it under load to test it out.  

> I would also advise you to setup your content scanning 
> (spamc, dspam, etc) at the delivery time, and not at message acceptance. 
> For that particular stage i would advise other tools such as early 
> talker disconnection, greylisting and helo checking, or even rbls if 
> that rocks your boat.

I do all of these things, too, but on my two busiest servers (couple
hundred users each), I still reject between 20 and 50 mails a day on
each machine due to spam score being over 10.  It is not a lot, but I
look at spam filtering like I look at security: there are several layers
and several components, each on it's own would be inadequate, but when
added together they make a very formidable solution.  So I see fair
value in dropping these messages at smtp time as one contribution among
many to a greater overall solution.  
But this is not my old system, and one has to be prepared to replace old
habits from time to time.  I will consider this advice diligently...

> Content analysis is usually a costly operation and can lead to false 
> timouts, when accepting mail, making the remote server retry the 
> delivery and causing duplicate message delivery. 

That is interesting.  As far as I know, my servers have never
experienced that.  However, I do agree that scanning/filtering is *very*
resource intensive, even for my relatively small amount of users I still
need a reasonably decent machine.  I have often wondered how much
machine I would need to serve mail for a few thousand instead of a few
hundred.  This tidbit is noted for future reference, when I pick up that
size of customer ;)

> That said, IMHO i would 
> leave simscan to work with clamav only and handle spam later in the process.
>
> Although it's a bit out date, you could take some ideas from a web page 
> where i explain a possible setup.
> 
> http://hmonteiro.net/howtos/qmail-ldap/start
> 
> That link is for an empty page, but it will show you 4 sub pages on the 
> left menu regarding several aspects i talk about above.

I found your pages when starting the whole qmail-ldap thing.  I found
your article on using policyd interesting, I may give that a try in the
near future as well.  For the time being, I am on enough unfamiliar
ground as it is...

>  By no means 
> that's the only way to setup things, nor it's the best in every case, 
> but i'm sure it will give you a couple of ideas to work on.

Indeed it does.  And I would like to express my gratitude that you took
the time to share with me, it is very much appreciated...

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hugo Monteiro.
> 

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