I agree!  I have over 200 mailing lists, and 1500 pop accounts all 
running off of qmail servers.  I have asked very few questions to this 
list and have found the list helpful in the past.  However this recent 
bickering is just not worth it anymore.

V/r
Jay


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 12/6/00, 7:53:21 PM, "Gary Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding 
List Problems:


> >>>> "asantos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/06/00 04:57PM >>>
> >From: Chris Brick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>How about you and Dave take all your points off list.
> >>
> >
> >Amazing. Since Feb 2000 this is exactly your second post, AFAICS.
> Very
> >construtive.
> >
> >Armando

> I am going to break my self-enforced silence to make a quick point, as
> I will burst
> with frustration if I don't. After that I will leave the list, as I
> will have become part
> of the problem, and have little faith that a solution will be found.

> 1) I am a newbie to qmail. Never asked a question on the list, things
> work just fine. I
> read the docs and set up prototypes until I felt I had enough of a
> handle on it to use
> it in production.  This seems to support the point that a someone with
> a bit of
> intelligence, work ethic and time can succeed with this software, even
> without this list.

> 2) Quick question to ask yourself before you post: If your boss read
> your post on this
> forum, would it reflect well upon your future employment with that
> firm? How about if
> your wife/gf read your post?

> 3) I would be irresponsible if I continued to allow this list to waste
> my time with topics
> that are clearly off-charter. In that I am sure MY boss would agree.

> 4) This list _cries_ out for a moderator, as the vocal denizens of this
> list are unable
> to keep their off-topic thoughts to themselves.

> 5) I believe this list is doing a disservice to the qmail community, as
> the signal-to-noise
> ratio is below Usenet. Perhaps a moderator, or a stricter enforcement
> of the list
> charter would make a difference. Failing that I see this list
> continuing to turn away
> new blood. Hard to take over the world when you alienate a large number
> of potential
> contributers, and go around hammering on those without a clue.

> I believe moderation is the solution, perhaps the only solution to this
> mess.

> And, yes, I would be happy to spend some time moderating posts. I don't
> mind
> putting my time in on something that is good for the community.  As it
> stands though,
> I would be embarassed should I have to explain why I read all these
> posts from this
> list, as there is very little value in reading zero-content flames and
> complaints.

> Have a good day, from a former list subscriber, and still very happy
> qmailer,

> Gary Barnett
> Network Administrator
> Wells, St. John, et al

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