Not quite. If Firebug is disabled, Firefox's own "Web Console" will be 
used (introduced with FF4, I think) which doesn't have a debug method. 
Firebug seems to just overwrite window.console with its own 
implementation which has one.

Regards,
Daniel

On 07/28/2011 05:55 PM, Derrell Lipman wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:47, Daniel Wagner <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     looks like it's this issue:
>
>     http://bugzilla.qooxdoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5232#c3
>
>     You can confirm it by looking at the "Web Console" in FF4. You'll see
>     something like "console[e.level]" is undefined.
>
>
> Daniel, I don't think this is the same issue. In his case, everything
> works if firefox is enabled, so it's not a matter of console.debug not
> being defined. If firefox is disabled, then console itself is undefined,
> so attempting to access console[anything] would cause a JavaScript error
> and the page would end up blank if it hadn't yet rendered.
>
> Derrell
>
>
>
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