Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Bush plays the game of being Christian

[Smurfonwheels]

In a message dated 11/10/2004 00:18:13 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aahh, leaving it all up to the female! ?  Being the devils' advocate here. NOT  having sex is the best form of birth control as us 'oldies but goodies' know.  We also know all about precautions.  But tell that to two 15 year olds.  Obviously what is out there is not working.  Parents do not take the time to keep track of their kids, there is no discipline, no routine for young kids--such as a bedtime, meals cooked "at home", no positive extra activities after school.  Parents do not care. My son has a child out of wedlock now after shacking up for 2-3 years with a much younger girl. "Her" parents let an 18 year old girl move out of the house, for the "first" time, in with a guy 6 years older than she was.  Three years later as they were planning on going their own ways, she comes up pregnant.  I have met her.  She has ambition, is taking college courses mostly on line now, but does go to a claqss on campus.  When she was here a couple of years ago--my son lives 2c states away--she came right out and said she wanted kids and a house, picket fence etc.  My son has been a cook in a Country Kitchen for 4 years and not making enough money to take care of himself much less a child! They have since moved closer to the colleges and he has a better job, but is still a cook at a bar/grill and has no idea what to do as a career.  They are taking advantage of the "single mother" thing for school funds and baby food and medical care for the baby.  Her parents have bought most of all the toys and baby bed/play pen and all the newer things available for babies these days.  I don't know what my son's father has done, don't want to know. I cannot afford hardly anything.  They did bring him down here for me to see, I paid for gas, they stayed at my mother's.  He is a doll!  But that does not undo the deed.  It has given my son a kick in the behind as to what it takes to support a family, but as long as she recieves money and the baby gets medical care, he is not too concerned.  Somehow they have worked out a schedule where they do not need daycare. Well so much for venting and a little bit of opinion. take care, Dana and Ilsa Very true about trying to tell a couple of 15year olds about protection!!!  Over here in the UK, in my area there's a new scheme running about trying to tell the 13-16yr olds the safetys of having sex.  The kids are given virtual babies to look after on weekends, and the babies do everything that a real baby would do apart from move.  There is a mini computer inside the babies to tell the experts how well they've done.  It moniters things like how many times the head was able to fall backwards, how long it took for the parent to stop the baby crying, weather it was fed/nappy changed etc.  They are a fantastic idea, and the amount of kids that's decided that they now don't want kids at all!  It's just a shame that they aren't taught pratically about STI's and the consequences of them.  They are probably more dangerous that falling pregnant!  It would probably help if they were taught the financial side of having a baby as well.  Are there any schemes like that running in the states?   Love Smurf xxx