Bush jumped at Sadam to finish what his daddy started - Very few yelled at
GHWB in '91 . Sadam was the biggest bully in the area blowing all
sorts of rhetoric at us - he needed spanking. It seemed it would be
'free'.
O'C
In a message dated 7/23/2006 4:03:59 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your right on Dave! Nature has to take its
coarse, if every embryo became a human the world would be so over populated no
one could servive. Were already on the road to self destruction, hell if
nature took it's coarse none of us quads would alive to worry about stem
cells. Don't get me wrong I won't to walk again, and im glad for modern
medicine that save so many lives. Think about it! Not so long ago
when someone was critical there was no cure so nature took it's coarse.
I think Bush doesn't won't to see a cure , same way as he's put so many in
harms way all over the world. Nature means less population!
Silas
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 2:59
PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the "Big
Picture"
Jim,
How do you feel about us killing cows and chickens to eat? What
about euthanizing dogs and cats at the pound to control the
population? Do rats and monkeys fall into the protected
group? How about killing flys and mosquitoes - they feed the
larger animals you know.
In a related point - our Catholic priest said today birth control like
condoms, creams and IUDs are a violation of God's natural law but family
size can be regulated by practicing abstinence during times of
fertility. He didn't cover vasectomies or tubal ligations but I think
those would be considered violations of natural law as well.
As long as 'God's natural law' is the topic, where do you think
artificial resuscitation figures in? If you blow somebody's lungs up a
few times and he comes out of it is that different than breathing for him
the rest of his life? The lines get pretty fuzzy.
Dave
P.S. I believe in the natural law that the strongest survive and the
rest are at their mercy.
In a message dated 7/23/2006 2:15:12 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 01:27 PM 7/23/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is not ok to kill people.
We are talking about exploiting the availability of human tissue. Just
stem cells. These are not and never will be humans. These are unassigned
cells. They have no thoughts, no ambitions, no sense of self, and most
importantly, no womb. If I gave you all the pieces of a an
automobile, you would not own a car. Even a good mechanic would only own
junk because of the lack of tools. It isn't the big picture, its
the small minds. john Just another thought about what should be considered "a human
life". At this point in time, I do believe that a human egg and human
sperm make a human being from the time they are joined, from that point
the zygote contains all the 46 chromosomes need to be human and it
continues to develop.
When NASA scientist talk about "life on
Mars" they are talking about microscopic bacteria.
- ALH84001 - The Life on Mars meteorite
- On August 7, 1996, an historic press conference was held at NASA
Headquarters in Washington DC. News that scientists had found evidence
of life in a Mars meterorite had leaked out, and NASA had to make an
announcement. A few minutes before, President Clinton made these remarks
at the White House before heading out on a trip to California:
- "This is the product of years of exploration
and months of intensive study by some of the world's most
distinguished scientists. Like all discoveries, this one will and
should continue to be reviewed, examined and scrutinized. It must be
confirmed by other scientists... I am determined that the American
space program will put its full intellectual power and technological
prowess behind the search for further evidence of life on
Mars."
- At the press conference, several scientists from NASA and Stanford
University announced their findings -- they confirmed that they had
found evidence of ancient, fossilized, microscopic life from a Martian
meteorite, known as ALH84001.
- Implications of Mars Life
- While the life they talked about was only microscopic, it has
several implications for us macroscopic creatures. If life on Mars is
ever proven to exist (or have existed at some point in time), it would
mean that the creation of life is not something that happens because of
freak chance or divine influence, but is in fact a probable occurrence
given the right conditions. Even further, if all that life requires
is an aqueous solution like liquid water to grow and thrive (which is
the current theory), then the universe is literally teeming with life.
The suspected liquid water oceans on some of Jupiter's moons (Europa and
Callisto) could be filled with life, and life could still be present
underneath the Martian surface, where liquid water and thermal energy
are still present.
- (source: http://www.marsnews.com/focus/life/
)
No one called those scientist "nuts" or "lunatics".
President Clinton called them "some of the world's most distinguished
scientists."
If that's what scientist consider "life" then why not,
on the basis of a complete biological analysis, the living human embryo -
from the moment of the union of the gametes - should be considered a human
being with a well defined identity? (paraphrased from the document "Scientific and Therapeutic Use of Human
Embryonic Stem Cells" http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdlife/documents/rc_pa_acdlife_doc_20000824_cellule-staminali_en.html
).
Given the right conditions, the human
embryo will continue to develop and grow.
---- Jim
Lubin
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