On 11 Dec 2015, at 8:25, Donald Sharp wrote:

I agree with Paul's reasoning here, but I also agree with Daniel's point of getting an actual Capability #. We recently went through the same thing
with the bgp hostname patch.

Personally, I have a hard time to see good reasons why someone wants (or should) change the order. But people sometimes have crazy (good or bad) ideas on abusing BGP.

The main issue here is the lack of standard. I’m curious what others think. I don’t think things needs to be approved (as RFC) before added to Quagga, but at least been discussed once at IETF would be a good thing to reduce the risk
of having to change it again within months with something incompatible.
Personally, I would prefer to have this at least once (or better twice)
discussed at the IETF IDR working group.

But overall, I think the feature is at least interesting to discuss.

- Martin


On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Paul Jakma <[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015, Daniel Walton wrote:

They didn't have any issues though.


Sure, but as per the previous thread on this, mismatches on that could
indeed cause instability.

I guess I still don't have my head wrapped around the exact problem that
is solved by exchanging the bestpath rules used?


Making BGP safer to use, and making it harder for operators to
accidentally get their network into an "unsafe" state that might be prone
to weird instability problems (potentially hard to debug).

If it is desirable to have a different selection order (and it seemed
Cumulus thought so? And I agree it'd be good to have cluster-list earlier), then we can make bgpd make life easier for operators by making it harder to
deploy it in a likely broken config.

Why make life harder for operators, when a little bit of code in bgpd can
make their life easier? :)

That was the use-case basically.

regards,
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