On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 09:11:06PM +0100, Sae wrote:
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> Subject:      Re: [qubes-users] Spoofing MAC
> Date:         Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:52:35 +0100
> From:         Sae <s...@nopping.eu>
> To:   pl1...@sigaint.org
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> On 25/01/2017 20:34, pl1...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > Hi
> > I followed the guide that explains how to spoof MAC using debian based
> > appVM. Now will my ISP "see" this new or it anonymize just my surfing?
> >
> Hello.
> You ISP never sees your MAC. Your MAC is used for the communication
> between your computer and your router.
> Spoofing your MAC is usefull in networks which are not under your
> control (hotspots, school, work, …).
> Then, from that network point of view, your computer won't identify
> itself with your mac address that is closely tied to your computer hardware.
> Spoofing your mac address has no impact on your IP address, so it won't
> anonymise your surfing.
> 
> forwarding because I forgot to send to the list. 

Since your ISP has complete control over your router they *always* see
your MAC. If you spoof the MAC then they would be able to associate the
spoofed MAC with that router. If you have been consistent and keep
changing it then you would have some degree of plausible deniability for
any particular session.
Best approach would probably be to add another wireless card on another
netvm, and use spoofed MAC and separate qubes on that netvm, while keeping the
vanilla card for "normal" use. That way to maintain "normal" use and
mask the other activity. Use a removable wifi card and disposable
netvm for the spoofing to minimise trace. Increase deniability by
setting router to open or with simple to guess password.

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