> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 09:11:06PM +0100, Sae wrote:
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>>
>> Subject:     Re: [qubes-users] Spoofing MAC
>> Date:        Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:52:35 +0100
>> From:        Sae <s...@nopping.eu>
>> To:  pl1...@sigaint.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25/01/2017 20:34, pl1...@sigaint.org wrote:
>> > Hi
>> > I followed the guide that explains how to spoof MAC using debian based
>> > appVM. Now will my ISP "see" this new or it anonymize just my surfing?
>> >
>> Hello.
>> You ISP never sees your MAC. Your MAC is used for the communication
>> between your computer and your router.
>> Spoofing your MAC is usefull in networks which are not under your
>> control (hotspots, school, work, …).
>> Then, from that network point of view, your computer won't identify
>> itself with your mac address that is closely tied to your computer
>> hardware.
>> Spoofing your mac address has no impact on your IP address, so it won't
>> anonymise your surfing.
>>
>> forwarding because I forgot to send to the list.
>
> Since your ISP has complete control over your router they *always* see
> your MAC. If you spoof the MAC then they would be able to associate the
> spoofed MAC with that router. If you have been consistent and keep
> changing it then you would have some degree of plausible deniability for
> any particular session.
> Best approach would probably be to add another wireless card on another
> netvm, and use spoofed MAC and separate qubes on that netvm, while keeping
> the
> vanilla card for "normal" use. That way to maintain "normal" use and
> mask the other activity. Use a removable wifi card and disposable
> netvm for the spoofing to minimise trace. Increase deniability by
> setting router to open or with simple to guess password.
>
Then if I use other internet connections and spoof MAC, they never know my
real MAC,right?


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