I also forgot to mention, if ultimately the sys-usb will have internet, then 
what's the difference between the sys-net or sys-usb? Why using two separated 
SysVMs if both can be used as a NetVM?




> On 12 July 2017 at 22:52 Franz <169...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Thomas Jefferson <myd...@mailbox.org 
> mailto:myd...@mailbox.org > wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Hi,
> > 
> >         I'm trying to use my ledger nano s and trezor with Qubes. I think 
> > the best approach, since I need to attach the entire USB controller for 
> > this to work, would be to use the existing sys-usb. However by default the 
> > sys-usb is not connected with any NetVM, hence I don't know if this would 
> > increase my attack vector.
> >         What's the safest way to use trezor or ledger nano s with Qubes?
> > 
> >         Should I use the sys-usb or should attach the USB controller to a 
> > different AppVM and use my HW wallet there? (The latter option will 
> > invalidate the use of my mouse, so if any other option is available, I'd 
> > glad hear it)  
> > 
> > 
> >     > 
>     I had to buy a working expresscard usb controller and then reboot. But if 
> you do not have the slot or do not want the extra hassle/battery consumption 
> probably the best way is to connect sys-usb to sys-net. At the end they are 
> both considered compromised, so which is the risk of connecting them? That 
> sys-usb can spread its malware using  sys-net? Unless you use usb block 
> devices for strategic/important things, which is not advised, then it seems 
> an acceptable risk.
> 
>     Regarding specifically Trezor and I suppose also Ledger, they are 
> supposed to be safe even if the hardware on which they are mounted is 
> compromised. So even a compromised sys-usb may be acceptable.
>     Best
>     Fran
> 
>         > > 
> >         Thanks
> > 
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