On 11/01/2017 10:27 AM, yuraei...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 4:51:52 PM UTC, Andrew David Wong wrote: > On 2017-10-27 23:24, taii...@gmx.com wrote: >>>> While I do know how to use the cli tools I enjoy a gui for at a >>>> glance viewing and tasks, it is much easier to press start/stop on >>>> a nice list rather than type two commands. >>>> >>>> Thanks ADW! >>>> > > Thanks for your feedback in this thread, everyone. Just to briefly > address the original question in the subject line, the reasons for > removing the Qubes VM Manager from Qubes 4.0 are discussed in this > issue: > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2132 > > However, na-- recently opened a new issue that reflects many of the > same concerns as in this thread: > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3241 > > We're looking into what can be done to improve the user experience in > 4.0. Thank you for testing, everyone! > > -- > Andrew David Wong (Axon) > Community Manager, Qubes OS > https://www.qubes-os.org > > While I initially didn't like the loss of the Qubes Manager either, I've > grown pretty used to not having it in Qubes 4. Refusing to upgrade due to not > having the old Qubes Manager, is imho just being conservative stubborn to old > habits, refusing change. While true change can go from better to worse, > refusing change altogether is not always a good thing. One should try give > the layout in Qubes 4 a chance. > > While true Qubes 4 has its interface shortcomings compared to Qubes 3.2, I > think it's interface isn't far from being superior to Qubes 3.2. too, with > some tweaks here and there. > > For example, expanding the widget to allow for more details, similar to how > the old Qubes Manager worked. Perhaps even put in an option to make it > detachable/moveable/sizeable from the widget icon to the desktop for those > who prefer a window over a widget. > > Either way, despite the loss from the extras in the old QUbes Manager, > despite it was a major pain to get the templates to work properly in the > start from a fresh install, despite all that, I still enjoy Qubes 4 more than > I did Qubes 3.2. And if anything, Qubes 4 is more secure than 3.2., so > refusing to upgrade for such minor things, seems to me quite weird. Albeit > the complaints are understandable, but it doesn't make Qubes 4 inferior to > Qubes 3.2, when counting all the pros and cons together. > > We also have to remember Qubes 4 is laying the foundations to more features > in the future. At least to my understanding, a lot in Qubes 4 is foundation > work for more things to come in the future. Don't be so unsatisfied, it's > work in progress, Qubes 4 is not a finished project. Think long-term, not > short-term. > > Imho, the Qubes team did a fantastic job with Qubes 4. They didn't have much > time with the interface layout, given all the other things that was > implemented in Qubes 4. After all, security takes president, and practical > use is also a serious priority. Cosmetics and lesser user-ability have to > take a second seat, given the paradigm and goals that's being followed, with > so few resources. > > Just give it time people, the Qubes team did an amazing job. Being frustrated > to such a high degree though, is uncalled for. We should at the very least > appreciate their hard work. >
As Qubes is open-source, the door is still open for a community-supported VM Manager (even though that would be a huge amount of work). What seems important is that the documentation of Qubes should be fully updated to reflect this change. For instance, in https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/backup-restore/ the creation and restoration of a backup is solely made with the VM manager. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/otca1n%245d9%241%40blaine.gmane.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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