On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 10:22:22 AM UTC, JPL wrote:
> I must have done something else because I got error messages when I tried to 
> reset the firewall and sys-net VMs, so rather than spending any more time 
> fiddling around I reinstalled and was more careful about the boxes I checked. 
> 
> While it's a good idea to have the option of seting update through Tor by 
> default I think it could be better explained in the installer, and the 
> checkbox shouldn't be positioned as a subset of the Whonix option but should 
> instead be set away from the template VM options. 
> 
> > 
> > How about trying this:
> > 
> > On the Qubes VM Manager find Fedora-25 template -> right click on that
> > and select VM settings -> Change the NetVM from sys-whonix (or any other
> > Whonix-gateway VM) to sys-firewall -> click OK
> > 
> > > I tried changing the networking options in the sys-net and firewall
> > VMs but that simply dropped the connection. I then tried to reset again
> > and got an error message saying the VM settings could not be changed.
> > >
> > > Can someone tell me the default settings for the sys-net and firewall
> > VMs? I only want Whonix to route through Tor. Hopefully I wont have to
> > reinstall it again. Thanks.

Templates don't have Net-VM's in Qubes 4. All updates are run over the 
Qubes-tools, and are no longer networked. So templates should be without 
networking. To my understanding, it goes for Fedora/Debian/Whonix-ws/whonix-gw.

As for the system updates over TOR, Are you sure sys-whonix wasn't started 
automatically at boot? Try check the sys-whonix VM-setting, or try reboot to 
confirm. Or run an online IP-check to see if system updates are tied to the Tor 
network. 

But yeah, it would be nice to know how we change this setting that enables or 
disables system updates over the TOR network, in Qubes 4 after initial 
configuration setup. It's not found in the Qubes Global Settings, where it used 
to be when it was tied to the 3.2 Qubes Manager. So we need some documentation 
on where to find it in Qubes 4.

Though I do believe it's fairly written in the Qubes Configuration setup? I 
don't recall the exact words, so I don't know if they can easily be 
misunderstood, overlooked, or not. Though I've made the mistake my self to too 
quickly move on, and later regretting not more carefully picking one of these 
initial configurations. So it's definitely relateable.

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