-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 2017-12-25 12:44, yreb...@riseup.net wrote: > On 2017-12-24 16:01, Andrew David Wong wrote: >> >> On 2017-12-24 19:08, yreb...@riseup.net wrote: >>> On 2017-12-23 11:11, Andrew David Wong wrote: >>>> On 2017-12-22 21:30, yreb...@riseup.net wrote: >>>>> On 2017-12-22 09:50, awokd wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, December 22, 2017 10:29 am, 'Tom Zander' via >>>>>> qubes-users wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, 22 December 2017 02:42:57 CET >>>>>>> yreb...@riseup.net wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> assuming 4.0 is going to come out of the box with >>>>>>>> like Debian 9 and Fed 26? >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have room for it, back up everything! You can >>>>>> restore selectively later. >>>>> >>>>> thanks for the two replies, *However, neither gets to the >>>>> gist of my inquiry. Namely, which VMs am I supposed to be >>>>> backing up, >>>> >>>> You should back up every VM that contains data that you don't >>>> want to lose and can't replace. For most people, this means >>>> backing up every VM that contains things like documents, >>>> emails, photos, and videos. If you're short on space, it's >>>> not necessary to make backups of things that you know you'll >>>> be able to download easily again later (e.g., an unmodified >>>> TemplateVM). >>>> >>>>> Dom0 (which for some reason is over *500GB!) , hence I >>>>> can't backup "everything" even with a 2GB internal HD that >>>>> I'm trying to use >>>>> >>>> >>>> For most users, the main reason to back up dom0 is because >>>> that's where your dom0 user settings are stored. Normally, >>>> dom0 should not be that large, since you're only backing up >>>> the home directory. (You're using qvm-backup, right?) It >>>> sounds like you didn't expect it to be that large, so if >>>> there's not enough data in your home directory to account >>>> for it, check /var/tmp to see if you have a lot of partial >>>> restores taking up space. >>>> >>>>> I was thinking of skipping the 1 large offline AppVM where >>>>> I keep old photos, and did, so why did the Templates and >>>>> Dom0 come out to such a *Huge filesize, what would be >>>>> typical ??? >>>>> >>>>>> From what your saying can I skip the Debian 8 Template, I >>>>>> have 2 AppVMs >>>>> and the Whonix stuff based on it I guess >>>>> >>> >>> >>> What is the default backup location from the GUI VM Manager >> >> It looks like the default is dom0. (Not sure, since I usually >> use the CLI, but I just tried going through the first few prompts >> in the GUI, and the default target was dom0.) >> >>> : I'm wondering now where I backed up my 300GB VM with old >>> photos back in May 2017 ....maybe that has something to do >>> with the size problem I'm encountering ...... I probably wanna >>> know where is it anyway. I don't think I thought to change it >>> from the default setting, as I was new, and still am to what >>> behaviour to expect from Qubes systems ...and just let it back >>> up where-ever the default would be. >>> >> >> Yeah, it sound like you probably have ~500GB worth of backups in >> your dom0 home directory. You'll probably want to move those to >> another location before backing up dom0 (if you don't want to >> include those backups in your backup). >> >>> PS: keeping in mind, my perhaps, *only reason to be attempting >>> a backup would be to migrate it to 4.0 , >> >> I recommend making frequent backups (so that you don't lose data >> in an unexpected hardware or software malfunction), not just for >> migration. >> >>> so I *still want to back up Templates and Dom0?? >> >> That really depends on you. The answer will be different for >> different people. The main consideration is whether you have any >> data in dom0's home or in your TemplateVMs that you don't want >> to lose. Personally, I would back everything up just in case. >> You may not end up using it all in the migration process, but >> the problem is that you may not be entirely certain, before that >> process is complete, which data you will want to have migrated. >> In hindsight, you may wish you had migrated more. You can always >> exclude data you have, but you can't include data you no longer >> have. >> >>> Most of my AppVMs are just for browsing the web and the 15 >>> different times, I've reset up firefox with perhaps a few >>> downloads ..... considering that would there be some reason to >>> backup AppVMs ..... >>> >>> >>> Maybe the only VM that matters *is the 300GB AppVM with photos >>> in it , that stays offline ? >>> >> >> Again, it really just depends on what data you want to keep. >> Given your uncertainty, I highly recommend backing up >> *everything* so that you don't regret losing something later. It >> sounds like you're talking about less than a terabyte in total, >> which is a pretty small amount of data relative to hard drive >> capacities these days. Better safe than sorry! >> >>> >>> re: /var/tmp is dom0 I am unable to cut and paste from >>> dom0 what I see is /dev/mapper/qubes_dom0-root 952848292 >>> 780151168(used) 123272164(available) 87% / and various others >>> smaller directories ; I don't know what a "partial restore" >>> would look like ; I never touch dom0 :0 >>> >> >> It would be some large directories in /var/tmp that start with >> `restore_`. But it sounds like that's not your problem. Pretty >> sure it's what we diagnosed above (large backups in dom0 home). >> > > ----- And *Once something is in dom0 files it can't be moved > *out to any other VMs ,
You can move files from dom0 to other VMs: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/copy-from-dom0/ > so guess I need to delete the large AppVM backup, that is > *indeed in dom0 /home and re-back it up to an another internal > HD .... would seem to be preferable , that backing up to dom0 to > dom0 (since I guess I'll be backing up "everything" and if that's > too large then maybe I'll skip the Templates... > > But, again just curious, are the Templates , Whonix, and AppVMs, > dom0 going to be *importable into Qubes 4.0 ? in general , I > don't really use Deb-8 which it sounds like will be in Q4.0, and > Fedora's Templates will be F26 *not F25 ....... ? > I haven't personally experimented with this much, so I'll leave it to someone who has done so to comment on whether it's possible. > PS: cc "user list" > - -- Andrew David Wong (Axon) Community Manager, Qubes OS https://www.qubes-os.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJaQWZEAAoJENtN07w5UDAw7UwQAKuFuy5xv9LOLMWYtf2RLWQ7 1Eck6NUIyEuLhWI1ndiuxTozbIRuUSizyPAmnf7bfVtSkOO3/dK9bbfBBWeCbeSR okL6kw4T1DK5gKCsPYnd/iSaS+JMETZTPeBmVQy74+v/6L/cNA7CHbRib2bsrrxO s0vc/8CPQA9EB+6DsBEVFGgIYWDWG+TPsKbjDfuG7R/p8x89Y0IwmRqySoIWEAnW ERTMONEeBkGOKER6P8FP1g1wtZFMogVlg/KbZ5Gflf220cFhjQ9ZE9LYfb8H66mQ gpUGkZfNLJuB0L0cDMRwUACOFGImFYcC6k9m/I3uZ6iZvCeMRQAw85iPiZiAPVnk 2Rc8B5I7+juQYp0mOBpoHEhyNo9Rgai8fkuD/5Lx19TIowPLE2AySjt5u52Lu2dQ KSk8I9KUkmOYPjjbQJGNTBdkcnob3B/G4Suty/4ggSO4niMGKfRWI4BbDeZjbgng faQOLU4Zi0HBLsG2X3Fb81RyCX2memp9q5+FItYeqhz67IH65TmzGbtzVohQvTHt /jE5ANsFyzhvlfoXjs2nZ2RcwH7bGWo8ueBZPOVRiOS777JfqM8uKtdJHLZTlVO4 4sNrgHFKrUqRgHaz5wryi2MfEh/orXyyWyh8/gU/l9/6qm07r76dOm0rcl3SnQS3 9YACCxiwkLnrDRNIU8RK =6tna -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/0ef99e50-42c8-f26c-d065-7098ef791a02%40qubes-os.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
