On 04/23/2018 07:32 AM, Drew White wrote:
> On Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:56:04 UTC+10, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)  wrote:
>> I haven't had a system crash in months
>> while using Qubes OS, and I haven't had a systemd-related crash in Y E A
>> R S.  Literally YEARS since a systemd bug caused a kernel panic (because
>> that's how a systemd crash looks like, it's an init-related panic).
> 
> That only means you don't do enough to push Qubes hard enough like I do.

FWIW I've been using Qubes *exclusively* for the past 2.5 years and I
probably had less than half a dozen crashes over that period, which is
consistent with what I had with plain Fedora before (and then the
crashes would happen because of exotic stuff like undocking/docking the
laptop while suspended, with many USB devices plugged and additional
screens, so they are probably not related to Qubes).

Except the usual mail/web surfing/office stuff I transcode videos, use
windows VMs with heavy CAD and 3d modeling software, or Fedora VMs with
QGIS and huge data sets, and I never had a system crash because of high
resource usage. Curious about you mean by "pushing hard", and if you
tried the same usage pattern that you get crashes with on plain fedora.

Re- systemd: I never had a crash related to it - be it on my Qubes
install or on the servers I administrate. With my experience as a
sysadmin I can tell you that systemd is a reliable, well thought out
collection of programs and thanks to it I don't have to write kludges to
work around deficiencies in sysV anymore. It takes a bit of time to
learn though, which is probably why people criticize it (leaving aside
conspiracy theories).

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