I totally agree with you, finding exploits is way easier, especially with practically unlimited resources. The whole Me-thing is blown completely out of porpotion, altough of course you do not want an Me, especially not me 11/ any closed source remote admin functions you cant effectively disable nor remove.
Also, please do not mention Purism in the same Sentence with legit Opensource Projekts like Qubes ore coreboot.This is very offending for people like the coreboot ore Qubes devs who actually try to make people free and secure, while others in comparison only scam people by making them believe their laptops/handys are opensource and with coreboot. cheers On 05/12/18 16:46, charly LEMMINKÄINEN wrote: > Anyway people, even if he was saying the truth. Then why is he silent > then ? Why doesn’t he have joined purism or coreboot or qubes or > others to neut the ME? > > The difference between reality and what can be real is really thin and > it’s often easier to believe what could be then what really is. > > First you need to indentify the goal and here it is not clear. Do you > know why ? > Because it would mean that Chinese could get access to it with enough > intelligence. Russian could get access to it. And what you are calling > Odin so the NSA or any other entity, don’t want all that because it > would mean that even them are at risk ;) which is clearly not the goal. > You don’t want to implement something that you can not control. > So it’s easier to find an exploit, there are enough of them. Or to > create one within software or OS where you can patch it easily than in > hardware. > > The real threat from all time, is not the intelligence services, it’s > the companies. Anything else doesn’t matter. > > Obtenez Outlook pour iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* qubes-users@googlegroups.com <qubes-users@googlegroups.com> on > behalf of awokd <aw...@elude.in> > *Sent:* Saturday, May 12, 2018 4:38:08 PM > *To:* qubes-users > *Subject:* Re: [qubes-users] Intel ME Backdoor, called Odin's Eye > > On Thu, May 10, 2018 12:37 am, dangmad...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 2:02:36 PM UTC-8, awokd wrote: > > >> I don't trust ME either and run me_cleaner but that link is just some > >> unsubstantiated text. If he'd really been working at Intel 15 years he > >> should have been able to get copies of internal documentation at least. > >> A > >> blacked out W-2 form doesn't cut it either. > > > > Do you find that sticking your head in the sand to be a productive form > > of security? > > How does requiring proof instead of an anecdote equate to sticking one's > head in the sand? Do you believe all scientists are sticking their head in > the sand when they do research? > > > I'm sorry that this information upset you so much, but by denying it > > you're only putting others in harms way. > > What gave you the impression I was upset? > > > Maybe you'd like for others to have security vulnerabilities? > > No, that's why I encourage them to use Qubes. I think you must be new > here. Check out some of my other posts. > > > Perhaps you are exposing your agenda too much? > > Re-read the first sentence of what I wrote above, perhaps more slowly this > time, then explain what agenda it is you think I have. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "qubes-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/5cca9a5a8bfd3e53a8a53f1e560dfda1%40elude.in. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "qubes-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com > <mailto:qubes-users@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/AM5P190MB03374A2B4B81C19532CBE1EAAB9E0%40AM5P190MB0337.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/AM5P190MB03374A2B4B81C19532CBE1EAAB9E0%40AM5P190MB0337.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/84ad484c-326e-196b-8692-34a10dd6159f%40seefelder-web.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
