Hello, Am Sa., 17. Nov. 2018, 02:50 hat taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> geschrieben:
> [...] > ME/PSP is impossible to disable on modern x86 anyone who tries is > wasting money and setting back the freedom computing movement but the > pur.idiots seem to not really care about that anyways. > So do you think it is better for the freedom computing movement if my neighbour who is not an "IT guy" buys a Windows 10 surface book or a MacBook instead of a Purism Laptop? Maybe he wants to choose exactly between this laptops because he don't want to buy old hardware (which is exactly the freedom he should have). If not, im sure you know a few me modules more ore less is completely > irrelevant from a security point of view. Why is this irrelevant? Is itbalso irrelevant to run Coreboot? Also, i wasnt able to find a statement of Purism about the fact that, in > the beginning, they claimed the ME was "completely disabled and removed". I > mean, that was > obviously not true right? > Which quote on the website are you arguing against and have you asked them in a nice way to change it so that users are more informed that Intel ME can't be fully disabled? What was the answer from Purism? > They do claim that it is "disabled" which it is not and they also claim > they have "open source coreboot firmware" which they don't since the hw > init process is entirely blobbed making coreboot nothing more than a > simple wrapper layer. > I don't know enough about the coreboot details, basically the coreboot Purism is using is less (reasonable) secure than the coreboot installation we are running on X2xx, T4xx etc.? What is the difference? I am really interested. but advertising hardware which runs almost entirely on closed source > software (certainly, all the important parts do), that just sound highly > dishonest in my ears > Do you really think that the biggest attack vector is the not fully disabled Intel Me stuff/Blobs? In this case it wouldn't make a difference if users run Windows on top of Purism hardware. Hardly to believe. Puridiots pretend as though making a modern, fast and affordable owner > controlled libre computer simply can't be done which isn't true and > various companies do it (raptor computing systems, various riscv > sellers, bunnylabs etc) > Will those computers have the same specs as Purism and do they run Qubes? Nothing is stopping them from making an OpenPOWER laptop since the > latest OpenPOWER9 code supports laptop level power saving but they say no. > I am sure that someone will do this if there is a market for it. People will but they're just paid shills so ignore them. > Which people?? Sad how few people do that. > It's also sad that people don't get that it is important not only what but also how you say it if you want to come through with your arguments. If someone would call me "Puridiots" when I would be working for Purism and taking part in an discussion here, I would ignore those people. Puridiots sound so "trumpish" to me, don't go this road. - O -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CAJ3yz2tRbKsJTMxVSM_k2JksS2Ek8bW0w%2BuckQBvtNHc5yNj4Q%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
