After posting on Qubes-Users about my experience with whonix and Patrick. TO 
voice my #metoo.    I got a notice in my email inbox he responded to my old 
thread.  https://forums.whonix.org/t/forward-and-reverse-dns-dont-match-up/2147 
  I replied I don't trust whonix because of him.    and he told me to "FUCK OFF"

After that I saw another notice in my email from some other troll,  and Patrick 
dedicated a whole thread to it.  While cowardly banning me so I couldn't 
respond.   Lets see if he posts it... 
https://forums.whonix.org/t/concern-trolling/6883

So here is my response to TorGroupie here:


First Patrick trolled me to get me to post on his forums again.  And now you 
are crawling out from under the bridge knowing I will respond.  Can't get 
enough of me here? 

Yes I use windows 10 for gaming and entertainment.  But I use Qubes for other 
things.  My mother uses Qubes as her mainstay does that count?  She is not even 
that computer literate which probably pisses off an inferiority complex nerd 
like yourself.    Anybody can use it.  That's the beauty of it.  Even though 
some were trying to make Qubes 4 harder to use, the community responded to make 
it user friendly again.

I respond to people asking for opinions or help on the Qubes forums.  I keep 
things simple and don't respond to anything I haven't experienced myself.  and  
I dislike rude people who can dish it but can't take it. I find that suspect.   
Patrick was afraid to troll me on the google mailing list too.  no problem.   
Thats why i love that Qubes chose google.  Keeps the trolls out!!




1.  Security and anonymity are two diff things.   Qubes was geared for home 
desktop users.  Which a common daily task would be logging into personal 
accounts and keeping data.    Hiding my location is something I have no need 
for.  It has some minor benfits like avoiding someone targeting qubes users 
with bad updates form upstream source,   but I always find whonix problematic 
when it comes to updating.     This should be common sense and simple to 
understand.  Unless of course you are trolling....



2.  The explanation for why Whonix doesn't have a canary is a poor one to me.  
And like I said,  to claim laws are not same in certain countries but while at 
same time claiming US laws affect everywhere is contradictory.  And I find 
having no canary suspect. If you don't like that ,  that's your problem.  I 
explained other reasons why as well and you seem to have no retort to it.  
Except to troll my character which is typical troll behavior.



3.  Security in general is hard.  And anonymity is even harder especially if 
you want a life.   For home desktop a more practical solution would be a good 
vpn.  But you would have better anonymity using tails on disposable disk.  



4.  An example of how tor is so dangerous to use is how many MITM attempts will 
be made against you when simply updating whonix, simply because you are using 
tor. Something I've learned when using it when Andrew Wong pointed it out to 
me.   Patrick himself on the Qubes forums states he can't account for security 
of tor node servers. Which lets face it are probably run by alot of shady 
people.     Or how bout how you would be putting yourself on the governments 
radar and suspicion just for using it.   I'm not even talking about the dark 
web...  Which is a criminal barbarian haven you'd most likely become a victim 
of by visiting.



5.  You are repeating yourself here.  Yes its extremely hard.  Everyone in the 
field knows that.   You should probably just change your name to TorGroupie.  
Since you don't really seem to have any experience with anything except 
trolling.  You wouldn't know if you were compromised if something crawled up 
your ass.  I accept the fact I'm compromised.   Joanna herself claims noone can 
tell if they are.



6.  And Patrick isn't emotional?  He just told me to "FUCK OFF"   lol.    Hes 
the typical linux snob.   The type of elitist troll you find in a linux irc 
chatroom.  The type to take the time to belittle me  while at the same time 
hypocritically claiming he has no time to answer my question.   He must of grew 
up and been raised by irc chatrooms.   You can tell the difference with 
invisible things labs, and its one of the things  I like about them.

And no wonder qubes-whonix left the project.  I would of left too.  Patrick 
seems to have other priorities then security and performance of Whonix.   I bet 
with a little research on him I could figure out his other agendas easily.   
Come try me we can go there.



And hey TorGroupie,  why don't you go "FUCK OFF" too.   Try this one on for 
size.  Tor is so painfully slow that If you are not fearing for your life or 
fearing imprisonment.  You're a selfish prick who  might be getting someone 
else killed using its bandwidth...

Keep pretending you're special by sticking it to the ad agencies. I do dislike 
in your face ads on webpages which are security risks in themselves.  But if it 
weren't for ads and trackers we would of never had tv and probalby wouldn't 
have an internet.  We wouldn't have this very google mailing list.  Which keeps 
the trolls under their rocks!!

Come troll me here, don't be scared of the google.  Or are they restricting 
your shady tor node...

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