On 8/23/19 11:12 PM, Matthew Finkel wrote: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 7:59 PM <g80vmgm...@riseup.net> wrote: >> panina: >>> On 7/31/19 5:35 PM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote: >>>> panina: >>>>> Hello. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've been looking for how to fix some bad default settings in the whonix >>>>> tor browser. Namely, they removed NoScript from the toolbar, so that the >>>>> NoScript cannot be used as intended. >>>>> >>>>> Since it's not adviced (and not easily possible) to start the browser in >>>>> the template, I have to do this manually each time I start a whonix dvm. >>>>> Since this is cumbersome, I'm not using the NoScript plugin as intended. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know how to get this plugin into the toolbar for each dvm? I >>>>> realize that this is a Whonix issue, but all of the affected users are >>>>> on this list... >>>> >>>> You might be able to hack it like in 14- >>>> https://forums.whonix.org/t/how-do-i-customise-tor-browser-in-a-whonix-templatebased-dvm-in-whonix-14/5580/27. >>>> Note it may compromise anonymity by making your browser unique or at >>>> least less generic. >>>> >>> >>> Can't seem to get this working. I get confused by how the dvm's work, >>> and am not succeeding in starting any applications in the dvm template. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/9/19 9:05 AM, Patrick Schleizer wrote: >>>>> panina: >>>>> Namely, they removed NoScript from the toolbar, so that the >>>>> NoScript cannot be used as intended. >>>> >>>> >>>> We did not. Decision by upstream, The Tor Project. >>>> >>>> >>> https://forums.whonix.org/t/workstation-15-dropped-both-noscript-and-https/7733 >>> >>> Thanks, duly noted. Is there any chance to get them to add a setting for >>> this? Or re-think their decision? >>> >>> <3 >>> /panina >>> >> >>> Thanks, duly noted. Is there any chance to get them to add a setting for >>> this? Or re-think their decision? >> >> Please see: >> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/30600 >> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/30570 >> >> TL;DR The TBB developers pushed out some half-baked changes that >> compromise UX, are hostile to the idea of reverting those changes, and, >> three months later, apparently have zero interest in fully baking those >> changes. >> >> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > That's a little harsh, isn't it? Saying there is no interest is > ignoring the fact that Tor Browser is maintained by a team of 10 > people for four different operating systems. Tor Browser is useless > (and actively harmful) if users are confused about which settings they > should change (due to careful design choices) and which settings they > shouldn't change. The Noscript and https-everywhere buttons on the > toolbar allowed people to tweak the settings easily, and this was not > something a normal user should do. If someone really needs to change > these settings, then they can go through a more complicated procedure > for accomplishing that. > > The team will finish implementing this, but (in particular) the > highest priority task right now is migrating the Tor Browser patches > and build system from Firefox 60esr to 68esr within the next few > weeks. >
Well, personally the Tor browser is largely useless with default settings. I'm actively avoiding recommending Tor Browser to non-technical users right now since it breaks webpages. Almost a majority of them. It's gone from being a superb way of hiding your traffic, usable by everyday surfers behind government firewalls. The privacy-aware crowd has been accused of being elitist, and this move is in line with that accusation. But the politics of TB isn't what this mailing list is for. Since I can't seem to hack the whole template/DVM scheme, I think I'll just have to go back to my own tweaked firefox setup. I guess I can put that behind a whonix gateway, should go some way towards being anonymized... wish a better day for y'all /panina -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/fda5fa35-8090-ecf5-2c73-269ef63d79d1%40nonbinary.me.
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