On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 05:27:00PM +0000, qtpie wrote: > panina: > > > > > > On 8/26/19 6:27 PM, 799 wrote: > >> If you buy the right hardware you'll not run into lots of bugs and get > >> enough performance to run qubes. You can buy a Lenovo T530/430, W530, > >> X230 for not much money, add a SSD some RAM and you'll not run into > >> performance problems (normal use). > > > > This is a view that I see quite a lot. It is a whole different > > discussion. Hence the re-subjecting. > > > > Firstly, this view completely lacks class analysis. Not everyone can > > afford to buy the newest shiny. A lot of us have to use whatever we can > > get our hands on. > > Whenever a secure OS is mentioned, Qubes is the go-to. Everyone comes > > here. The approach that you have to buy new, specific hardware to have a > > functioning OS means anyone poor, or in a country with a poor dollar > > exchange rate, is left behind. > Panina, I hate to say this since class awareness is sorely lacking in > tech, but in this case I dont agree with you. You dont need to buy the > latest and/or shiny. If you look up any of the models mentioned > previously on ebay (Lenovo T530/430, W530, X230) and upgrade those with > an SSD you can have a fine Qubes laptop for $300 that will last you many > years. I am personally using qubes for a few years on a laptop from 2014 > just like this. Maybe this could be mentioned more clearly in the docs, > many people seem to think that they need a new i7 with 16GB+ of ram. > That is absolutely not the case. > > $300 is very different from $1500 but still definitely not free. If I > take 'latest and shiny' a little less literal and by 'whatever we can > get our hand on' you mean a laptop you can get for less than $200 or > even for free, then I retract my point. However this is not really qubes > can do something about. Hardware related projects have minimum hardware > requirements, that hardware often (not always) costs money, and money is > a class issue which it shouldnt be. >
I have to point out that you can run Qubes fine with HDD and 12GB RAM - even 8GB is doable. quick ebay suggests you can get x230 with *that* config regularly for less than $200 - i7 with 16GB went for $175 recently. If you drop down to an i5 (still workable) you can come in at less than $100. I know people who are using burners at these specs they have acquired for free - worth the UX pain for the added security. There's always a trade off. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20190829120425.GB8218%40thirdeyesecurity.org.
