On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:01:49PM +0000, Logan wrote: > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "qubes-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e6af715a-fe00-46ec-ddde-24748076ad2b%40threatmodel.io.
> <html> > <head> > <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> > </head> > <body> > <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Would you be willing to share the URL > here? If not, could you message me privately? I'm definitely > interested in reading it.<br> > <br> > -Logan<br> > </div> > <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br> > </div> > <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/11/20 11:58 AM, Mark Fernandes > wrote:<br> > </div> > <blockquote type="cite" > cite="mid:be02e5ea-f7a5-473b-9fd0-1d06a9223...@googlegroups.com"> > <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> > <div dir="ltr">On Monday, 11 May 2020 12:08:22 UTC+1, unman wrote: > <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: > 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">??<br> > </blockquote> > <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: > 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">.... > Depending on your machine you > <br> > may be able to find ways to do this, by installing a kill > switch, or by > <br> > BIOS configuration. > <br> > You may find that your BIOS allows you to disable certain > devices pre > <br> > boot, and this may enable you to switch between active > disks.??</blockquote> > <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: > 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: > 1ex;">....</blockquote> > <div><br> > </div> > <div>I'm by no means an expert on Qubes or this particular > issue. However, I am in the midst of writing a Wikibooks book > on cost-effective end-user security that has a section about > this. My thoughts in the book are more like RFCs (requests for > comments) rather than definitive ideas (my hope is that other > people will further develop, revise, and correct them, as > applicable). <b>Please take that into account when reading > them.</b> The section is shown below.</div> > <div><br> > </div> > <div><span > id="docs-internal-guid-5cb878be-7fff-1d6d-bc3d-05d7880773a7"> > <hr></span></div> > <div><span > > id="docs-internal-guid-83215b1d-7fff-5294-3335-b19118084401"><span > style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); > background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; > font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: > pre-wrap;"> > </span> > <h4 dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-indent: > 36pt;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt;"><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qubes_OS"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 12pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Qubes OS > 4.0.3</span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: > rgb(102, 102, 102); background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;"> side-by-side with other </span><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 12pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">operating > systems</span></a></h4> > <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left: > 36pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qubes_OS"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; > text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: > pre-wrap;">Qubes OS 4.0.3</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> is </span><a > href="https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/index.html#can-i-run-applications-like-games-which-require-3d-support"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; > text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: > pre-wrap;">documented as not coping well</span></a><span style="font-size: > 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> with </span><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; > text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: > pre-wrap;">software</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: > Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> that specifically benefits > from </span><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_acceleration"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; > text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: > pre-wrap;">3D-optimised hardware</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">. Since a user may well > want to use such optimisation, the best way to use such optimisation on the > same machine might be to do something like, or the same as, the > following:</span></p> > <br> > <ol style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"> > <li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: decimal; font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre; margin-left: 36pt;"><p dir="ltr" > style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" > role="presentation"><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Installation_(computer_programs)" > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Install</span></a><span > style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;"> a </span><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux"; moz-do-not-send="true"><span > style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; > text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: > pre-wrap;">Linux</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">operating > system</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">, with good security but > still with the capacity for being able to utilise 3D-optimised hardware, on > an </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSD"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">SSD</span></a><span > style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;"> external </span><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_storage"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">drive</span></a><span > style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;">, such that this other operating system is not run > over Qubes, but instead run separate to Qubes.</span></p></li> > <li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: decimal; font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre; margin-left: 36pt;"><p dir="ltr" > style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:5pt;" > role="presentation"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">When wanting to use this > other Linux OS, disable the internal drive (containing Qubes) in > either:</span></p></li> > <ol style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"> > <li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: lower-alpha; font-size: > 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre; margin-left: 36pt;"><p dir="ltr" > style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:10pt;" > role="presentation"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">the </span><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS"; moz-do-not-send="true"><span > style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; > text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: > pre-wrap;">BIOS</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">,??????</span></p></li> > </ol> > </ol> > <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left: > 108pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:10pt;"><span > style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(153, 153, 153); > background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;">??????????????OR IF WISHING TO BE MORE > SECURE,</span></p> > <ol style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" start="3"> > <ol style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" start="2"> > <li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: lower-alpha; font-size: > 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre; margin-left: 36pt;"><p dir="ltr" > style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" > role="presentation"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">both the > BIOS??</span></p></li> > </ol> > </ol> > <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left: > 108pt;text-indent: > 36pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">as well as by physically > disconnecting the internal drive</span></p> > <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left: > 108pt;text-indent: 36pt;text-align: > right;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span > style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(153, 153, 153); > background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;">(this latter option might be a good idea to > do??</span></p> > <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left: > 108pt;text-indent: 36pt;text-align: > right;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span > style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(153, 153, 153); > background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;">because </span><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">malware</span></a><span > style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(153, 153, 153); > background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;"> in a BIOS's </span><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmware"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">firmware</span></a><span > style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(153, 153, 153); > background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;">??</span></p> > <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left: > 108pt;text-indent: 36pt;text-align: > right;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><span > style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(153, 153, 153); > background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;">can still connect to BIOS-disabled drives).</span></p> > <ol style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;" start="3"> > <li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: decimal; font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre; margin-left: 36pt;"><p dir="ltr" > style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" > role="presentation"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booting"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Boot</span></a><span > style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;"> off the SSD to run this other Linux.</span></p></li> > <li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: decimal; font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre; margin-left: 36pt;"><p dir="ltr" > style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" > role="presentation"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">After using the non-Qubes > installation, because of the possibility of malware being introduced into the > BIOS firmware by the non-Qubes installation, optionally </span><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS#Reprogramming"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">flash</span></a><span > style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; > white-space: pre-wrap;"> the BIOS's firmware to ensure better the Qubes > installation isn???t compromised through firmware </span><a > href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware"; moz-do-not-send="true"><span > style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: > normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; > text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: > pre-wrap;">malware</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> when you next use > Qubes.</span></p></li> > </ol> > <br> > <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left: > 36pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><span style="font-size: > 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">By following the above > steps, and choosing the most secure options in the steps, because > of:</span></p> > <ul style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"> > <li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre; margin-left: 36pt;"><p dir="ltr" > style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" > role="presentation"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">the disabling of the > internal drive via the BIOS,</span></p></li> > <li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre; margin-left: 36pt;"><p dir="ltr" > style="line-height:1.7999999999999998;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;" > role="presentation"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">the physical disconnection > of the drive containing the Qubes installation, ?? </span><span > style="font-size: 18pt; color: rgb(153, 153, 153); background-color: > transparent; font-style: italic; font-variant-numeric: normal; > font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: > pre-wrap;"><span > style="font-size:0.6em;vertical-align:sub;">and</span></span></p></li> > <li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; > font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre; margin-left: 36pt;"><p dir="ltr" > style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:10pt;" > role="presentation"><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: > transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">the flashing of the BIOS > firmware before the ???reconnection??? of the </span><span style="font-size: > 11pt; background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; > font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: > pre-wrap;"> > </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Qubes > installation,</span></p></li> > </ul> > <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left: > 36pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size: > 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; > font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; > vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">any such other OS should > not be able to access or even ???touch??? the Qubes OS installation, thereby > hopefully safeguarding the Qubes installation from attacks conducted through > the other presumably-less-secure OS.</span></p> > <div><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: > rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-variant-numeric: normal; > font-variant-east-asian: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: > pre-wrap;"> > </span></div> > </span></div> > <div><br> > </div> > <div><span > id="docs-internal-guid-5cb878be-7fff-1d6d-bc3d-05d7880773a7"> > <hr><br> > </span></div> > <div><span><br> > </span></div> > <div><span>Kind regards,</span></div> > <div><span><br> > </span></div> > <div><span><br> > </span></div> > <div><span>Mark Fernandes</span></div> > </div> > -- <br> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "qubes-users" group.<br> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to <a > href="mailto:qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com"; > > moz-do-not-send="true">qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com</a>.<br> > To view this discussion on the web visit <a > href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/be02e5ea-f7a5-473b-9fd0-1d06a9223f0c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer"; 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