On Tuesday, 26 May 2020 18:58:28 UTC+1, Rafael Reis wrote: > > Quoting myself: > > After some deep research I discovered that the WWAN slot indeed takes a* >> SATA M.2 *SSD. (source >> <http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/new-latitude-5470.785426/page-9#post-10227440> >> ). >> You'd better go for the shorter ones, otherwise they'll collide with the >> inner plastic frame and won't fit. I believe you can fit 32 and 40mm length >> drives without any trouble. > > > So a SATA M.2 2242 or 2230 should fit. Examples > <https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=sata+m.2+2242&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=sata+m.2+2230> > > I couldn't find those sizes here in my country. So as I explained on the > same post, I disassembled and broke away pieces of the inner frame to fit a > 2280 size drive. > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 2:50 PM Andrew Sullivan <andrew....@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> >> >> On Thursday, 14 May 2020 13:52:59 UTC+1, Rafael Reis wrote: >>> >>> Hey Andrew, >>> >>> Glad I could help. >>> >>> Yes you can manually enable and disable drives on BIOS, although it is a >>> somewhat cumbersome workflow if you dual boot a lot. Especially if you have >>> BIOS password enabled as well. >>> >>> Windows sees the Qubes drive enabled, initialized but not formatted. It >>> does not touch the drive and does not prompt to format it or anything. Yes, >>> it is there, exposed but again, depending on your threat model this isn’t >>> that big of a deal. I have custom software highest encryption bitlocker >>> enabled on the windows drive as well. >>> >>> You may always encrypt qubes boot partition as well. It’s one more >>> password. There’s docs for that. >>> >>> As far as laptop size goes that’s entirely personal. I’m 95% of the time >>> docked, with a full desktop setup around me, so I favor the portability >>> when on the go. You may consider the dock station + monitors + keyboard >>> mouse combo. You also get a ton of additional I/O, charging, and many perks >>> with this configuration. It’s awesome, and a Single eject away of being >>> untethered. >>> >>> I’ve worked with the precisions before, and to me they are absolute >>> mammoths. But I’d probably go for a bigger laptop if I didn’t have the >>> docking setup. >>> >>> Good luck on your Qubes adventure. >>> >>> Rafael >>> >>> Em qui, 14 de mai de 2020 às 09:13, Andrew Sullivan < >>> andrew....@gmail.com> escreveu: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, 11 May 2020 23:13:21 UTC+1, Rafael Reis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey Andrew! >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for the late reply, haven't checked the mailing list in a while. >>>>> >>>>> I have a 5470 service tag # 5V2GBG2 >>>>> You may see the full original config here >>>>> <https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/servicetag/0-dHBZdFAzUVN4THRPN0NkTzFYWlNWdz090/overview> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> Basically it came stock with a quad core i7-6820HQ. Sata drive with >>>>> the tiny sata cable. No m.2 bracket or SSD installed to the NVME ngff >>>>> slot. >>>>> Nothing installed on the wwan ngff slot, and intel's wifi card installed >>>>> to >>>>> the ngff wireless slot. >>>>> >>>>> It has 3 ngff slots (M.2 NVME, WIFI, WWAN) keyed differently (Key A, B >>>>> etc) and the sata data+power cable for 1 sata drive. >>>>> >>>>> I've upgraded ram to 2x8GB DDR4, removed the stock sata hdd and >>>>> replaced it with a sata ssd. Since I needed more capacity than >>>>> performance, >>>>> I got a 512GB Crucial BX500. It was way more affordable than an nvme >>>>> drive >>>>> atm, and I didn't have the m.2 bracket either, which would mean I would >>>>> only be able to secure the nvme ssd with double sided tape or other >>>>> improvised solution. The BX500 is known to have an exploitable hardware >>>>> encryption, so be advised to use only software encryption on that drive. >>>>> >>>>> That drive became my Windows 10 drive, GPT / UEFI enabled. >>>>> Started using Qubes on a USB 3.0 64GB flash drive, it worked pretty >>>>> well considering the constraints, but decided I needed a drive for Qubes >>>>> itself. >>>>> >>>>> After some deep research I discovered that the WWAN slot indeed takes >>>>> a SATA M.2 SSD. (source >>>>> <http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/new-latitude-5470.785426/page-9#post-10227440> >>>>> ). >>>>> You'd better go for the shorter ones, otherwise they'll collide with >>>>> the inner plastic frame and won't fit. I believe you can fit 32 and 40mm >>>>> length drives without any trouble. I couldn't find an affordable SATA >>>>> M.2 >>>>> with at least 256GB for Qubes (that was my personal need), so I ended up >>>>> getting a regular 80mm lenght one. To make it fit, I had to "mod" the >>>>> inner >>>>> plastic frame, and disassemble 50% of the laptop. I opted simply to >>>>> break >>>>> pieces of the plastic frame in order to free space for the lengthier >>>>> drive. >>>>> Then, I isolated the surroundings with tape and secured the ssd (don't >>>>> remember how, if I was able to bolt it in, tape it, or pressure). The SSD >>>>> I >>>>> used in the WWAN port is >>>>> https://www.lexar.com/portfolio_page/ssd-nm100/ 256GB version >>>>> >>>>> You have to change BIOS settings under drive configuration to enable >>>>> the required sata ports. >>>>> >>>>> Initialized that drive as GPT, and installed Qubes to it. >>>>> >>>>> You are right regarding the "dual boot". I don't have Grub. I use the >>>>> "BIOS" UEFI bootmanager to choose which OS I'd like to boot. All I have >>>>> to >>>>> do is press F12 after powering up. I've renamed Qubes to Recovery, so it >>>>> is >>>>> inconspicuous. Default boot drive is the BX500 with windows. >>>>> >>>>> The level of compatibility of the E5470 with Qubes is outstanding. The >>>>> performance is incredible. >>>>> The only thing that didn't work OOB was the SD card reader, which was >>>>> easily fixed by opting to kernel-latest . Docking station works 100%, >>>>> with >>>>> multiple monitors. Even 2 monitors + laptop monitor works perfectly. I >>>>> wish >>>>> it was possible to nuke Intel ME on 6th gen laptops and have it fully >>>>> Opensource. It would make a great candidate for certification. >>>>> >>>>> My only concern right now is the decisions for the GUI of Qubes 4.1. I >>>>> wonder if the separation of the GUI and dom0 would result in >>>>> incompatibility with E5470 or even a big decrease in performance. This >>>>> thing is perfect for Qubes if your threat model isn't government agencies >>>>> high. >>>>> >>>>> Hope I could help, and let me know if you have further questions. >>>>> Em quarta-feira, 6 de maio de 2020 20:51:29 UTC-3, >>>>> andrew....@gmail.com escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rafael >>>>>> >>>>>> Interested to see you got an SSD drive to work in the WWAN slot in >>>>>> your E5470. Could you tell me what drive you used, and the spec for your >>>>>> laptop. Am I right in thinking that you have Windows installed on one >>>>>> drive >>>>>> and Qubes on the other, and that you actually choose which drive to boot >>>>>> from at power up? So it's not "dual-boot" in the usual sense (ie >>>>>> multiple >>>>>> OSs on the same drive)? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> Hi Rafael >>>> >>>> Very many thanks for your comprehensive reply, lots of good information >>>> there. What I hope to end up with is pretty similar to what you have - a >>>> large(ish) drive with Windws and Linux Mint in a conventional dual boot >>>> setup, and a drive in the WWAN slot to run Qubes. I think it is possible >>>> to inactivate drives individually on Dell laptops so if I feel it >>>> necessary >>>> I could switch off the W/LM drive when using Qubes and vice versa. I >>>> think >>>> this would largely get around the potential risk of the Qubes /boot >>>> partition getting compromised when using one of the other OSs? Depends >>>> how >>>> paranoid I feel! >>>> >>>> Regarding choice of laptop, I am torn between the E5470 and the M4800. >>>> I now know that the E5470 will work, but I do like the bigger screen >>>> (would >>>> FHD, not QHD) and the separate number pad on the M4800; I also like the >>>> number of storage drives it can accomodate. It's a bit of a big old thing, >>>> but portabity isn't really an issue for me. Pricewise there's not much in >>>> it on the Dell Outlet site (UK). >>>> >>>> I agree it would be good if the ME could be dealt with on the newer >>>> machines - maybe someone will find a way... I'm not up to speed on the >>>> GUI/dom(0) issue; hopefully Brendan is right that it will be an option, so >>>> it won't matter. >>>> >>>> Thanks again >>>> >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>> Hi Rafael >> >> Quick update - I now have a refurbished E5470 (Core i5, 256GB SSD, 8gb >> RAM, FHDscreen). Works fine with W10 and Linux Mint, so I'll be getting a >> SSD for the WWAN slot (and maybe another 8GB SODIMM) and starting with >> Qubes! Do you happen to remember what sort of SSD you put in that slot (I >> know it should be 2242 form, but mSATA, PCIe, something else???). >> >> Many thanks >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "qubes-users" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/qubes-users/6nmAX9cfgGQ/unsubscribe. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> qubes...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/56f2f158-844b-457f-86f7-3d354023e1bc%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/56f2f158-844b-457f-86f7-3d354023e1bc%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> > Many thanks.
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