On 8/16/20 8:08 PM, unman wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 12:41:27AM +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote:
On 8/16/20 2:29 AM, unman wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 07:39:19PM +0000, tetrahedra via qubes-users wrote:
WHen I try to access the Google Groups qubes-users site, sometimes (circa
50%) I'm presented with a Google login prompt and can't access the
qubes-users group unless I have a Google account.
Since Qubes is privacy-focused it seems like maybe the Qubes mailing lists
should migrate to a less Orwellian mailing list provider.
This comes up repeatedly.
If you don't like Google Groups, but want a web interface, use the mail
archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/qubes-users@googlegroups.com/
If you don't want a web interface, interact with it as a mailing list.
But still your messages will be sent to Google...
And so?
I don't send messages to Google - I send them to people who read the
mailing list. Since that is a public activity I don't care if Google sees
it.
The list is public, so Google will be all over it in any case.
Does this mean that I favour Google in any way? Not at all.
I never use the google web client, and it aggravates me when people link to
messages there, instead of in the mail archive. I wish they wouldn't.
The mail-archive site doesn't come up prominently in searches and I even
forgot it existed, but thanks for the reminder.
The list remains in peoples' minds as being a "Google group" so they are
likely to gravitate toward Google to read its contents. So what we have
is a pressure tactic from Google to trace more user activity across the
web – user logs into Google to read some list messages, and Google links
their recent and future browsing history to the users' identity.
This doesn't affect list subscribers much, as we can read messages in
our email clients. But Google knows the many 'casual' list users who are
not subscribed are not 'casual' users of the entire web, and they are
likely to sign in just to get at a handful of messages that could solve
their problem.
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