This sounds like a side meeting that might lead to a BoF at 112? On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:18 PM Lucas Pardue <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021, 19:36 Spencer Dawkins at IETF, < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> This is, of course, why ADs get paid the big bucks (ha!), but >> >> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 12:10 PM Mike English <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I would personally be very interested in a "video over QUIC" working >>> group or mailing list. >>> >> >> Martin Thompson said (in a reply that, I think, only went to the QUIC >> mailing list(*)) that he thought this was big enough to BOF (which doesn't >> mean it shouldn't be discussed at DISPATCH at IETF 111), but does say >> something about what a mailing list could be used for. Offhand, I can >> imagine: >> >> - discussion of the existing >> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-kpugin-rush-00.html draft >> - discussion of potential scope for a BOF proposal >> - discussion of proposed text for a BOF request >> >> Could I ask what the people who are expressing interest in a mailing list >> are thinking about? >> > > +1. Good questions. > > There seems to be some appetite for _something_ that doesn't fit in > existing boxes. Defining exactly what might be would be a sensible step on > the path to a BoF. > > Cheers, > Lucas > > >> >> Best, >> >> Spencer >> >> (*) email is archived at >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/ocCm8E-GzP_pn4LBcJyKQeN7GRU/. >> >> The directness of this draft is perhaps what's most interesting to me. >>> In particular, the absence of out-of-band signaling / session >>> establishment stands in striking contrast with another UDP-based media >>> ingest option: WebRTC. >>> >>> The signaling needed for session establishment (and the diversity of >>> implementations for such signaling) has historically been a barrier for >>> WebRTC adoption as an ingest protocol outside of the browser context. >>> WISH-WG is working to improve that situation for WebRTC of course, but a >>> new QUIC-based ingest protocol presents an opportunity to sidestep some of >>> those known-issues by making an architectural decision up front about >>> whether that style of session management is necessary in a video >>> contribution workflow. >>> >>> I'm hoping others with more experience on these lists can speak to the >>> history and tradeoffs associated with those approaches, but I just wanted >>> to call attention to the aspect of the draft that seemed most notable to me >>> as an operator of a low latency streaming platform where WebRTC egress and >>> ingest capabilities are provided, but where RTMP is still the de facto >>> ingest protocol of choice for many users. >>> >>> Thanks for sharing this work! >>> -Mike >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 12:32 PM Victor Vasiliev <vasilvv= >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Alan, >>>> >>>> Excited to see this draft! >>>> >>>> Since this isn't technically in scope for either avtcore, wish or quic >>>> working groups, what would people think about making a new mailing list for >>>> video over QUIC? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Victor. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:27 AM Justin Uberti < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 1:35 PM Roberto Peon <fenix= >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Seems like a good idea to me, unless there is a home that is already >>>>>> well suited! >>>>>> >>>>>> -=R >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *QUIC <[email protected]> on behalf of Luke Curley < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 1:16 PM >>>>>> *To: *Alan Frindell <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Cc: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Sergio Garcia Murillo < >>>>>> [email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, " >>>>>> [email protected]" <[email protected]>, Kirill Pugin <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Wish] Video ingest over QUIC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey Alan, thanks for publishing your protocol! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitch has also been working on a video over QUIC protocol, albeit >>>>>> primarily for video distribution instead of contribution. We're very >>>>>> interested in collaborating on RUSH and producing a new standard for live >>>>>> streaming! Would there be broader interest in forming a video over QUIC >>>>>> working group? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 12:04 PM Alan Frindell <afrind= >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Sergio, thanks for your interest in the draft. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I’m interested in seeing a video ingest protocol standard that >>>>>> leverages QUIC as a transport, has some partial reliability support, and >>>>>> is >>>>>> less connection-oriented so that servers can go down for maintenance >>>>>> without impacting ingest reliability or having arbitrarily long drain >>>>>> times. We published our RUSH draft to help kickstart the conversation >>>>>> but >>>>>> we’re open to feedback and modifications if they help advance those >>>>>> goals. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *Sergio Garcia Murillo <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 9:02 AM >>>>>> *To: *Alan Frindell <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Cc: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >>>>>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Kirill Pugin <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Wish] Video ingest over QUIC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Alan, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that the correct place for discussing it is AVTCORE as >>>>>> Bernard has indicated, as WISH is not chartered to implement any new >>>>>> media >>>>>> protocol. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The draft is very interesting and I would be willing to collaborate, >>>>>> what is your main interest? Do you want to try to publish it as it is or >>>>>> would you be accepting feedback and include modifications? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Sergio >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> El mar, 13 jul 2021 a las 17:37, Alan Frindell (<afrind= >>>>>> [email protected]>) escribió: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, for several years, Facebook has been using its own video ingest >>>>>> protocol over QUIC from our apps to our infra. While we’ve spoken about >>>>>> it >>>>>> before, we just now published a draft documenting how it works: >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-kpugin-rush-00.html. >>>>>> >>>>>> The protocol leverages the advantages of QUIC transport, and features >>>>>> a partially reliable mode using only QUIC v1 RST_STREAM. >>>>>> >>>>>> We welcome your feedback >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> -Alan Frindell >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Wish mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wish >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Wish mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wish >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> Wish mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wish >>>> >>>
