Hi Dewald, Unfortunately, that situation you encountered with the music shop is common. I've encountered it several times already with different issues and different companies. I'd stick to lists and forums with users who use this stuff all the time. If you're sending James the instrument list, don't forget to send him a relevant portion of the manual, otherwise there's not much that can be looked at. From reading those tables though, they were pretty confusing to me.
----- Original Message ----- From: Dewald van Deventer To: QWS list Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:47 AM Subject: Re: QWS List Introduction - New member Hi Ray. Thanks man. It helped. I phoned the guy at the music shopthe other day to find out about these banks, because James mentioned three specific banks his keyboard uses. And i wanted to find out about my Yamaha PSR-E323. The guy didn't have a clue what i was talking about. Shame. I want to email James my PSR-E323 instrument list on Monday. I'm busy reading through the QWS manual. Learning a whole lot of stuff ... It's easier in comparison to Reaper's manual. Wow, i tried to understand the manual, but they lost me behind somewhere with arming tracks for recording etc. But this manual is easy to understand. Thanks for helping man. Have a nice weekend. Dewald. Dewald Louwrens van Deventer Cell: +2782-461-4865 Fax: +2786-612-5921 E-mail: <[email protected]> Skypename: <dewie007> Facebook: <Dewald Louwrens van Deventer> --- Music should strike fire from the heart of man, and bring tears from the eyes of woman. Ludwig Van Beethoven Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. Victor Hugo ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond Grote To: QWS list Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: Re: QWS List Introduction - New member Hi, Some of this is very interesting indeed. I don't know about your keyboard, but some instruments have additional variations on LSB 112, so that would be 112 in QWS terms as well. but if they're not there, they might be on 113 or 114, or somewhere around there. For instance, there's a normal flute on my keyboard, and on bank 112 or around there, there's a sweet flute. Now, why they would do that for a brass section is something I don't know, maybe they have other variations of brass there. or maybe they are keyboard specific values for other messages but I don't know why they would put them in a voice reference list. I'm pretty sure those 0s, 126 and 27 numbers are probably MSB, because my keyboard is like that. Fortunately I don't have to deal with it too much because I just use channel 10 which you don't even have to worry about the bank unless you're dealing with a massive module, which I don't have yet. That's why I never liked tables, unless they were html tables. When the columns are read in a linear format it can become hard to decipher what it all means. If you have a QWS number that is less than 128, then you don't have to do all of that dividing stuff to convert it to MSB and LSB, because the MSB is 0, and the LSB is whatever that number is. So, bank 112, if that happened to be used on your keyboard, would be MSB 0, LSB 112. Hopefully I helped a little. I'm not good at reading a lot of voice references in manuals. One thing that is very helpful, if you change voices while in the track properties dialog, the bank and program numbers will automatically update themselves when you change the voice. So, if you want to know where your favorite voice is, just change to it while you're in track properties and the bank and program numbers will change. HTH. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dewald van Deventer To: QWS list Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 4:46 AM Subject: Re: QWS List Introduction - New member Hi Raymond. Thanks for your reply. It'll probably grow on me. But what do you do with a big big number like 16256 and 16128. 16256 / 128 =127 and 16128 / 128 =126 Ok, sorry, i understand that now. I'm speaking about the drum kits. In my manual The voice numbers is from 109-121. Then in the colom, there is a number: 127, then a 0, which is supposed to be the bank number, then the program number. Now, lets just step away from the drum kits. I see, a quite well-known number in my namual is 112. For instance, my colom headings read as follow: Voice no. Bank select midi Program change Name 001 0 112 1 Grand piano Lets take the brass section in a QWS instrument list: ; Brass -1, 61,112,Brass Section -1, 61,113,Big Band Brass -1, 62,113,80's Brass -1, 61,119,Mellow Horns -1, 62,114,Techno Brass -1, 62,112,Synth Brass What i have notices is that QWS placed the program numbers first and then the bank. In my Yamaha manual, the bank is first, as you saw above. For instance, the entry for my Brass Section in the Yamaha manual would be: 078 0 112 62 Brass Section I've noticed that all the program numbers, when you convert it to QWS, you must subtract 1. In this example, 62 becomes 61. BAnk number 112. I'm not sure what the 0 means in the manual's example. Maybe the channel number? Dunnoh. But in the drumkits, this 0, becomes 127 and 126. Hope you are still with me. About the 112, 113 and 114's. What is this. MSB, LSB? Or QWS's number. And how do i know what the msb and lsb is? I understand your example with 388, but 112 is a number below 127 or 128. Sorry for the confused email. Thanks for the help. Dewald. Dewald Louwrens van Deventer Cell: +2782-461-4865 Fax: +2786-612-5921 E-mail: <[email protected]> Skypename: <dewie007> Facebook: <Dewald Louwrens van Deventer> --- Music should strike fire from the heart of man, and bring tears from the eyes of woman. Ludwig Van Beethoven Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. Victor Hugo ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond Grote To: QWS list Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:33 AM Subject: Re: QWS List Introduction - New member Hello Dewald, Glad to hear you are finding use in this great program. It is certainly a great help in that area. It is also very useful for transcription, with hearing an audio recording and transcribing it for midi. It's definitely hard work, especially when you are a perfectionist like myself. I have yet to get into scoring though, I just play what I hear for each part, and whether it's technically correct is something I don't yet know, as I haven't had enough musical training to know all the technical rules and restrictions. As for your question on bank numbers. Basically the way QWS handles MSB and LSB. If I'm understanding this right, QWS combines MSB and LSB as you said. All of your MSB numbers are 0, 128, 256, 384, 512, and so on. LSB is in between those. So, to convert a set of MSB and LSB numbers to the way QWS interprets it, you multiply the MSB by 128 and add the LSB. So, MSb 3 and LSB 4 is: 128 times 3 equals 384, plus 4 is 388. Now, to go the other way, from a QWS number to an MSB and LSB, I'm not so sure about. What I would do, is divide that big number QWS gives you by 128. If the result comes out even, as in no decimals or remainders, then LSB is 0. If you can figure out a remainder, then that remainder is the LSb, but if you are only getting decimals, as you will with most calculators, then there's an extra step we have to take. If there is a decimal, get rid of anything after the decimal and multiply this new number by 128. Take the original QWS number minus this new number to get LSB. So, to convert bank 388 to MSB and LSB: 388 divided by 128 equals 3 with a decimal. This 3 is the MSB. 3 times 128 is 384. 388 minus 384 equals 4. So 4 is the LSB. Hopefully I didn't confuse you too much, and made a little bit of sense! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dewald van Deventer To: QWS list Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 6:33 PM Subject: QWS List Introduction - New member Hello list. My name is Dewald from South Africa. I have recently stumbled across QWS, and was very impressed. I still am. I like playing around with it, and have created a few songs just for fun. I also use it to learn classical pieces. This is actually a new discovery of mine. For 5 years i have studied piano performance at a university here in South Africa, where my lecturor recorded every piece for me in MP3 or Wave format. I also did a thesis on the problems and possibilities of music score access for blind pianists. "mouthful" :) But i wanted to find a way to learn the notes of a specific score independantly. I probably lost a few of you already in my description, but hold on! Now, i can download midi format "sMF" 1 from the Internet, where the right and left hand of the classical piece are divided into different channels, channel 1 and 2, preferably. And i import it into QWS, and i can mute or solo a specific hand part, or channel, slow it down, rewind, fast forward, etc. to help me hear every note of the score. I could also send the midi file if it is channelled correctly, "right hand channel 1, left hand channel 2" to my Yamaha PSR-E323 keyboard, and mute the channels on there too, as well as perform the other features i mentioned. Soon i will put up a website with this information and with resources. But i just wanted to share that with you. I just have two questions already for you guys: 1. Can someone explain to me how the banks "LSB and MSB" work? At the back of my Yamaha instructions manual, i see specifically in the drum kits list, the following numbers: 127 0 1 Standard kit But when i had a look at the PSR-E403 instrument .ini file, i saw that there is a bigger number Bank 16256 and program 0 And then later on in the SFX kits it uses bank 16128 with program 0 etc. I know this has something to do with the LSB and MSB numbers or midi controller numbers only going up to 128 sounds, and that QWS combines them ... Confused smilie? I know that 127 times 127 minus 1 equals 16128, but yeh ... Question 2: I used these bank numbers for the drum kits for my instrument list for my PSR-E323 list. But now, after i have take the PSR-E323 instrument list and deleted a few sounds that's not on the PSR-E323, and modifying it a bit, i was impressed to find that all the program and banks worked fine. I would like to upload it to the website. You know, to add the PSR-E323 to your instrument list on site. I never could imagine that i would actually make such effort as to figuring out or even just thinking about doing this, or worrying about banks and programmes and ports. :) It was quite intimidating at first. But, i am quite interested. Like i'm saying, thanks for this wonderful program. I am very impressed, and enjoying it very much. Of course i'm only using the basics of it at the moment, but, hopefully, i'll learn more and more. Oh yeh, let me know off-list, if anyone would be interested to read my thesis, or to find out more about my method of learning notes of scores. Thank you, Lord bless, Dewald. Dewald Louwrens van Deventer Cell: +2782-461-4865 Fax: +2786-612-5921 E-mail: <[email protected]> Skypename: <dewie007> Facebook: <Dewald Louwrens van Deventer> --- Music should strike fire from the heart of man, and bring tears from the eyes of woman. Ludwig Van Beethoven Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. Victor Hugo
