--- Ricardo Pietrobon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill, very interesting comment. However, do you > believe that by posting > these tutorials on a wiki they could, even if > initially faulty, be improved > by the community over time? > > Ricardo > As a new user to R it strikes me that some of these examples might be quite useful. Dr Venables has a very good point but on the other hand as a not-very-knowledgeable user I am struck by the idea tha it might be very useful to see how others attack a problem.
Good as the help examples are, and with a few caveats they are good, they tend to be very terse and sometimes a bit to sophisticated for the beginner to easily grasp. > > > On 10/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think you need to see how things work before > making any decision on > > this. While the principle seems OK, in a > optimistic sort of way, you > > may be a little disappointed by the outcome. Some > will likely be > > superb, useful, well written and accessible. > Others, I suspect, will > > fall short of this ideal, with some falling a fair > way short. That's > > the way students learn, after all. They should > use these exercises to > > straighten things out in their own minds, and some > of them seem to have > > rather twisted ideas, at least initially, even at > "graduate-level". > > > > Some people argue it's useful to see the learning > process in action, and > > some books I could mention seem to be written this > way - but they don't > > get very good reviews. I just think there is a > real danger here of > > giving misleading and inefficient teaching > materials a spurious cloak of > > legitimacy, even if there are disclaimers all over > it. I see a need to > > be very cautious about this, in other words. > > > > > > Bill Venables > > CSIRO Laboratories > > PO Box 120, Cleveland, 4163 > > AUSTRALIA > > Office Phone (email preferred): +61 7 3826 7251 > > Fax (if absolutely necessary): +61 7 3826 7304 > > Mobile: +61 4 8819 4402 > > Home Phone: +61 7 3286 7700 > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.cmis.csiro.au/bill.venables/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Matthew Keller > > Sent: Monday, 22 October 2007 9:45 AM > > To: R list > > Subject: [R] Input appreciated: R teaching idea + > a way to improve > > R-wiki > > > > Hi all, > > > > I will be teaching a graduate-level course on R at > CU Boulder next > > semester. I have a teaching idea that might also > help improve the R > > wiki page... I wanted to know what you all thought > of it and wanted to > > solicit some advice about doing it. > > > > During the latter part of the course, students > will choose a topic of > > interest (e.g., hierarchical linear modeling), and > show how to achieve > > it in R. They would present their findings to the > class, and would > > also be responsible for writing a concise but > well-written "How To" > > manual on the topic. These would be ~ 5-10 pages > and would include > > basic background of the statistical procedure and > a commented example > > with code in R. The goal would be for these to > read like Baron & Li's > > "Notes on the use of R for psychology experiments > and questionnaires." > > > > Originally I was going to post these as PDFs on my > own web-page and > > let them grow into a compendium of how-to manuals > as I teach this > > course over the years. However, perhaps a better > idea, and one that > > probably benefits more people, is to have my > students post their short > > manuals (not as PDFs but rather typed in) on the > R-wiki page. > > > > Does this seem like a good idea to folks? > > > > Another question has to do with how barren the > current R wiki page > > is... is it still being actively developed or has > the community given > > up on it? > > > > Finally, any thoughts on where on the R-wiki site > we should post our > > "How To" manuals? The "tips and tricks" section > seems to barely be > > more than snippets of conversations from this > list-serve (often sans > > the context). My guess is that the "Guides" > section is where these > > should go. > > > > Your input would be most appreciated. Best, > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > -- > > Matthew C Keller > > Asst. 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