Hi there,
thanks for your help. I did read Bates statement several times, and I am very glad and thankful that many statisticians spend much time on this. The problem is, as Dieter pointed it out, that many "end users" often have to use statistics without being able to fully understand the math behind it. Because if they would spend as much time on that as statisticians do, they wouldn't be able to do what they do where they use statistics for. And, no, I don't expect that a "simple" answer exists, but it might be that somebody had a similar problem like me before and may have a convincing line for a referee at hands. I have problems reformulating what I read here in my own words. Dieter: when you write: "but to use lme instead when possible" do you mean that when using lme the F-stats are correct? Because I assumed that the problem would be the same with lme. Julia -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/lme-and-lmer-df%27s-and-F-statistics-again-tp19835361p19876728.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.